Hosts Haley Hatch Freeman and Misty Smith welcome Wendi Christensen, a licensed clinical social worker with 30+ years of experience, who helped create the first Hope Squad peer-led suicide prevention program and later opened a private practice. Wendi shares how God guided her career “line upon line,” and recounts client stories involving loved ones and ancestors present during healing. She describes Christ-centered tools she uses, including a stress-management technique and four “steps to forgiveness” focused on physically releasing pain to the Savior, along with practices like gratitude and seeking an eternal perspective through hard seasons. Wendi also warns of negative spiritual influence.
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Welcome to Latter-day Miracles, where we share true stories of angels and marvels. I'm Haley Hatch Freeman. And I'm Misty Smith. Sit back, open your heart, and prepare to be inspired
[00:00:15] Haley Freeman: Welcome to Latter-day Miracles. Today, we are bringing you Wendi Christensen. She is one of the most awesome people. I am so excited for you to hear her wisdom and to just get a flavor of her spirit. She is someone I met through, Women Warriors of Light, and that is a remarkable program. I hope if you guys haven't, um, had a chance to check that out yet, you do.
They, they do a lot of good for women in this society. I'm going to let Misti read her bio, and then we're going to turn the time over to Wendi.
[00:00:46] Misti Smith: Okay. All right. Wendi Christensen is a licensed clinical social worker, intuitive counselor, author, and speaker with more than 30 years of experience helping people find healing, hope, and greater peace.
She earned both her bachelor's and master's degrees in social work from Brigham Young University, and has owned her private counseling practice since 2004. Wendi helped create the very first Hope Squad, a peer-led suicide prevention program that is now used in schools across the country. That's incredible.
[00:01:22] Haley Freeman: Mm-hmm.
[00:01:23] Misti Smith: She continues to support local schools and presents for Hope for Utah, sharing practical tools to strengthen emotional wellness and help people recognize their inherent worth. Wendi is also the author of Release, Renew, Restore: Three Powerful Steps to Personalize Christ's Atonement, a book designed to help readers experience greater spiritual and emotional healing through the power of Jesus Christ.
Her passion is helping people recognize that healing is possible, that they don't have to remain stuck in their pain, and that they can move forward with renewed hope and light.
[00:02:01] Haley Freeman: One thing I love about Wendi, and I've learned the way she does with counseling, is it's a faster process of way she helps people release their pain.
Like, sometimes with talk therapy, you regurgitate the pain again and again and again. And something I've learned is she really helps people release the pain and give that pain to the Savior. And she uses, true gospel principles and eternal truths- Mm-hmm ... to heal, and that's something I found that is amazing the way she treats her patients.
And I know she has an, an event coming up, um, that's called Release, Renew, Restore in Christ: A Sacred Half-Day Healing Retreat for Women, and that will be November 14th. And we'll let her tell you more about that at the end of the podcast so she can, um, give you guys more information that I, I just think that this is gonna help so many people.
So we'll touch back on that at the end. But, we will let Wendi go ahead, and we'll turn the turn, time over to her
[00:03:04] Wendi Christensen: Awesome. I am so excited to be here with you guys, especially you, Haley and Misty, and to be on the podcast. Thank you for having me. Um, I was, I was trying to think kind of where to even start and begin, and even as Misty was reading my introduction and the bio, I had this thought come to my mind.
And years ago when I first started, um, as a social worker, I worked in Provo School District. That's where I started the first Hope Squad. And I remember when I was there, um, as I'm looking back over just kind of my whole history of my, my career, right? But I have to say the most important thing, though, to me is being a mom.
I love being a mom. I have three beautiful kids, and that's my number one priority as a mom and wife. I love it. But as I look back on the career part that I've been blessed to be a part of helping people and working with people, um, I can say that I have seen the hand of God in everything that I have done.
How it's just really been line upon line, and this thing led me to this thing, and then this led me to this. And that's, I think, why I'm here today is just because, God has really woven all the little pieces together to help me to be where I'm at Um, one of the methods that I do is I do a stress management technique, and it was even interesting finding that technique.
Um, I was slowly introduced to it when I was... It, it's a training I learned from Graf Stress Management. Dr. Graf was a chiropractor down in St. George. And so then I look back on my history and I think, well, when I was in high school, I was on the volleyball team, and I needed to go to a chiropractor. And so my mom took me to this naturopathic chiropractor, which my mom was not anything naturopathic.
Like, I don't even know how we found him. I was like- Mm-hmm ... how did we even find him? And he just, you know, would adjust my back when it would be out of place, 'cause it would occasionally. And so, um, but what I remember when I was in college, my very first year of college, I got really sick. I got mono, but I didn't know it at the time, and my mom's like, "Hey, should we go get an adjustment, and I'll take you to the doctor?"
And I was like, "Sure." So I came home from college, and my mom took me to the doctor, and he was, like, testing, and he was muscle testing. And I was like, "This is really weird. What is he doing?" And, um, he was like, "Your liver's weak. I think you need to go get tested for mono. Check in with your doctor." And I was like, "Okay."
So I did, and sure enough, I, I did have mono, and I was like, "What the heck? How did he know?"
[00:05:31] Haley Freeman: Wow.
[00:05:32] Wendi Christensen: Just by doing what he was doing. And I was like, that was just a small segue into the Lord saying, "Hey, pay, pay attention. You may need this later on." So then when I... The, the thought that came to me as you were reading that bio, I don't know why, but I remembered when I was working in the high school, I had this Native American young man come to me for, he had depression.
He was dealing with depression. And so my job as a school social worker at the time was to meet with students who were struggling. So they may have been depressed or suicidal, and they were kind of the extreme cases that we would then come in as a social worker. I would come in and kind of do an assessment and see what we needed to do, and then oftentimes we would meet with the family or go do a home visit and say, "Hey, we need these services," or, "We need additional care."
Well, we decided to have me meet with this young man for a little while. To see what I could do to help him and if he needed more services. And at the time, he really opened my mind to different things. He shared with me, um, he said, "Well, you're gonna think I'm really weird. You're gonna probably think I'm schizophrenic, but I'm not."
Mm-hmm. And he proceeded to tell me he would see, he would see spirits. There's a purpose and a reason I'm sharing this. Mm-hmm. 'Cause this was kind of my opening to, opening my mind to a whole new world that I had never known before or seen before. And he said, he's like, "I'm not schizophrenic, but I see spirits."
He goes, "My whole family sees them. I'm not the only one that sees them. My entire family sees them." And I was like, "Really?" And I'm like, "So what do you mean? Like, share with me." 'Cause I was like, I have no idea what this kid's talking about. 'Cause I was like, is he, like, does he have a mental health disorder?
Or what's going on? So as he starts sharing, he was sharing very specific details of things that he would see in the school and around the school. He's like, "Oh yeah, I see, you know, these spirits and they do this," or, "I see them annoying or bugging kids. I see doors slam." And I was like, like, is this a Ha- Halloween type thing?
He's like, "No, no, no, no, no." He's like, "My whole entire family is blessed to see them. We've lived on the reservation and- He said, "My, my brother sees them, my dad, my, my mom has seen them. Like, we're- it's just a gift that my family has." And the more that I talked to him, I started realizing this kid isn't crazy.
He's not, he's not doing drugs. It's not a, a hallucination or a delusion. I ruled all of that out as I met with him, and I'm like, "I think he really is telling the truth." Like, I feel like he's telling the truth. And as I saw, I guess, inside, I feel like I try to be very intuitive, I really did feel like he was telling the truth.
And he taught me so much about the other side and how it works, positive and negative. That was kind of my introduction. And then a few years later, I was working, um, in my private practice, 'cause I ended up leaving the school after about, um, nine years, and ta- starting my own private practice, and I had this grandmother who brought her daughter, or her granddaughter to me, and she said, "I don't know why, but she's really angry a lot."
And she's like, "I was hoping you could meet with her." And so I start meeting with this cute 11-year-old girl, and she's like, "I haven't told my grandma this, and I don't know how to tell her, but I see shinies." And I was like, "Shinies? What are shinies?" And she's like, "They're, they're good people, and they help."
And she proceeded to tell me one day where she was crossing the road, and she went to cross, and she didn't look both ways, and she said, "One of the shinies stopped me." And I'm like, "Okay, what did they do?" And she's like, "They kind of pushed me back and stopped me, and then a car came." Wow. And she's like, "I would've been hit by the car, but the shiney stopped me."
And I was like, "Really?" And she's like, "Yeah, and I see good and I see bad ones." She goes, "Sometimes I see negative ones as well." And she's like, "They want us to be scared of them, but we don't need to be scared of them 'cause..." She, you know, it's kinda like... She's like, "It's kinda like the movie Sixth Sense, but they're not scary.
They don't walk around with, like, axes in their head or anything like that." She's like, "They're like normal people like you and I." Well, that started introducing me to understanding that we really have both sides of the veil around us all the time. That's what it started introducing me to. And so the more aware I started becoming of it, the more I started seeing and being, I guess, more in tune with those experiences around me, and a lot of it has come through clients and what they've taught me, and just really trying to decipher...
You know, sometimes I've been in situations, I did work at the hospital for a while, where people were hallucinating, and they would have delusions, and I could see that. But I feel like I've- pract- uh, seeing and observing things, I've come to realize when it's really a delusion and a hallucination versus an actual real situation where maybe it is something from the other side of the veil, and it can be positive and it can be negative.
They're both around us all the time, and they're beautiful when it's these positive, wonderful things that I have seen and I've been able to see and witness. And then of course, the negative things can be really hard and heartbreaking and difficult as, you know, the opposition can work really hard on us as well.
And so I guess that's some of my experiences that I've had is learning from clients over the years, um, how, how really close the Lord is to us and how close the other side is to us. Uh, so-
[00:10:50] Haley Freeman: So I had, um, a near-death experience and it, and then I also had mental illness. So but it was, but the near-death experience came before my, a breakdown from lack of nutrients from my eating disorder.
But the difference is so, is so easy for me to tell the difference. Like, when I had confusion with my mental illness, like where I wasn't understanding how to feed myself 'cause of my mental breakdown, and when I experienced the near-death experience, it was realer than real. It was more real than our reality.
So it's like people are like, "How could you tell the difference between when you were having the, the confusion of not recognizing your own parents and, you know, the mental breakdown from when you had your near-death experience?" I'm like, "Well, the near-death experience was realer than our real existence on earth."
It was so, it's so easy for me to tell the difference because the senses were heightened beyond what we're even experiencing-
well, when I was in this heavenly sphere with my angels, with my, my sister who had died and my grandma who died, that experience was significantly, bigger and heightened to what we're experiencing now. So it's not even a, like, hard.
[00:12:02] Misti Smith: And, well, well, to add to that, 'cause I've also had some experiences, um, not, not definitely like Haley has, but different.
Um, I, I feel for those listeners who might be wondering what sometimes that might feel like- For me, I know it's different for many, um- Yes ... for, yeah, for me, the, I feel by the end of the experience I realize there's a lot of knowledge and love. Yes. And just, just, uh, just positivity. Um, even if it's hard, I feel like there's always that love that you are cared for and there's a purpose for you receiving that.
So I'm, I'm interested, Wendi, like, um, something that keeps popping up in my mind is when you started creating your practice, how is it that you get to pick and choose between what you bring into your practice knowing you've had these kind of, experiences in your life? How is it that you pick and choose and form your practice?
[00:13:08] Wendi Christensen: That's a really good question. And it's interesting because I remember when I graduated, I really had hoped and desired to get hired by, um, an agency that was very focused on, Latter-day Saint values, and that was my, that was, like, my really my big hope and desire.
And I was quite disappointed when I didn't get hired by them. And I remember feeling like, "Why, why is God doing this? Why, why isn't he let, why isn't he allowing me to... Like, that's a perfect fit for me. Why isn't he allowing me to work for this agency?" But it's interesting, as I started working for, and I started working for the school district, which is so opposite.
You know, you can't bring religion into the school system. But as I continued working, one of the things that I teach, and that's part of the release that is in my Release, Renew, Restore that I talk about, I learned these beautiful steps called the steps to forgiveness, and that's something that I teach.
And, uh, what I started realizing is that even though it's based in Jesus Christ, and he's the one who's taught us about forgiveness, and it's these beautiful steps to release and let go of these things that we hold onto that really impact us, um, that can happen in any language and in any setting, and it didn't have to be religious based.
So I started bringing it and teaching it in a non-religious base in the school system. Um, well, at least with the kids that I got to work with. Right. And, and the reason I'm sharing that was with, to answer the question, what I started seeing was if I had been placed in an agency, they're very particular about what you do have to do and how you do it, and making sure it runs according to their guidelines, which is great.
I did have a wonderful background, and, um, got all the training and supervision and everything like I needed. But what I loved is that where the Lord took me allowed me to expand and do even more. And so it allowed me to learn the stress management that I did and to get certified in it, so I, I became certified in that, and it's something that no other counselor does.
And so I've been so blessed by the Lord going, "Hey, I know you see that, and I know that's what you want, but I've got more for you. I've got way more for you than you can even see, so if you'll trust me, I'm gonna take you to a whole different place that's gonna open up and expand and allow you to do so much more than what you're doing right now."
And looking back, I see that. In the time and in the moment, I didn't, but now I can see that He was helping and blessing me to take my personal practice to a place that I want it, and it allows me to bless people and help people in ways that I never thought I ever could or imagined that I could, because it is very different than, than the typical, than your typical therapy that you get.
So I know that's a long answer, but it's blessed me in that, and it's given me more of, like I said, a testimony that the Lord can take you into places where you don't see at the time. And if you just trust Him and trust that He'll take you there, He'll take you to places that are gonna be in your... I like to say they're gonna be in your eternal best interest.
And I really feel like He took me to a place that was in my eternal best interest, and it's allowed me to bless and help other people because of it
[00:16:16] Misti Smith: Love that. I mean, even thinking about you saying eternal best, best interest, like, ooh, I could use that in my- ... in my daily life.
[00:16:25] Wendi Christensen: Oh, I use it all the time.
When I'm asking questions- ... I'm like, "Okay, is this gonna be in your eternal best interest?" When I've talked to my kids, "Is this gonna be in your eternal best interest?" I love it. Um, yeah. It's a phrase I like to use because it, it kind of makes you pause and think and step back and go... It's that celestial perspective, right?
Like s- just kinda step back and go, "Okay, what really is in my eternal best interest?" And if I'm looking at that, then I can trust and hold onto and move into those spaces that I need to.
[00:16:51] Haley Freeman: Mm. That's good. So,
[00:16:53] Wendi Christensen: yeah.
[00:16:53] Haley Freeman: Do you have a specific, uh, story with a client that stands out?
[00:16:58] Wendi Christensen: Yeah. Actually, as I was preparing for this, there were a couple of ones that came up because, you know, I just, I love the experiences that you guys talk about.
And so I thought, "Well, there's been a, there's been a couple specific ones that have crossed my mind." I remember, um, like I was saying before, when I started working with that young man and he started opening my eyes, and then I had more and more clients, it's been fascinating to me as I start working with clients how y- you know, I, I truly believe it's such a sacred space when you're working with someone and you're in the healing process with them.
Um, I really don't know how people heal without Jesus Christ, because I truly believe even if they don't... You know, I've worked with atheists, I've worked with different religions, I've worked with people that, um, have left their faith, I've- all different situations, but what's fascinating to me is that there's, there's always this common sacred, beautiful place, and even if they don't believe in Jesus Christ, I still see him healing them.
Mm. And so that's the beautiful part that I get to see, is I always get to see him healing people and watching him heal them through the beautiful gift of the atonement. And so a couple of situations that I've seen, I had one woman that came a few years ago. She had a really hard situation, um, that was pretty difficult.
You know, sometimes we can go through a hard situation. For her, it was, it became a media thing, like it was in the media. So then I think it, it makes it even doubly hard. Like, it's really difficult because it was a situation where it wasn't her, it was her spouse that was in the media, and it was...
And but she was dealing with a lot of what we call betrayal trauma. Um, it was an affair, and so that was, like, really hard, and it was in the media. And, um- What's interesting is as we were talking, and she's just dealing with this heaviness, you get... You've... As a, as a therapist, you... My job is to sit in the heaviness with people, just like the Savior would.
And, and sometimes that can feel heavy, right? And you're sitting in that heaviness. And I remember one particular situation where we were sitting and we were talking, and I don't remember why, but she brought pictures of family. I think we had talked about family and how, you know, family can help you, and especially ancestors, and she had brought some pictures.
And it was interesting, 'cause as we were talking, um, sometimes I really try... When you introduce me, uh, you introduce me as an intuitive counselor, and the reason that is is because when I'm working with people, I really try to tune into them and their energy and who they are as a person. And, and as we were sitting there, I started all of a sudden feeling...
Like, sometimes I'll have, I'll have visitors come. They're good ones, and sometimes negative ones that I notice, and I'm like, "Okay, we gotta take care of that." But I remember this particular night, we were, we were talking, we were working through some hard things with some depression she was dealing with, and all of a sudden I felt this being come in.
And I said Do you know somebody that... And I started describing her. I'm like, "She looks like this, and she's kinda acting like this, and this is her personality." And she's like, "Oh my gosh, that sounds like my grandmother." And I'm like- And I could see her in my mind's eye. I couldn't, I don't, I don't have the gift of actually seeing people, but I saw her in my mind's eye.
And I'm like, "She's..." Like, I could describe her. I could just describe what she looked like. And she pulled out her little... She'd brought this photo book. And she put the photo in front of me, and she pointed to the picture and she said, "Is it this person?" And I was blown away, and I said, "Yes! That's her." And she's like, "That's my grandma."
Wow. And I'm like, "Oh my goodness. That's your grandma?" And I'm like, "Wow, she is, like, fully here and present right now in your healing process." And that was such a testament to me of how we really are not forgotten, and that when we are struggling and having a hard time and going through difficult things, um, that the Lord allows good people around us to come and to bless us and to be present.
And I think for her, she just needed to know, as she was going through this hard time, that she had somebody who knew her well and that was very aware of her that was there. And I truly believe that, that God does that. He allows us to have people who know us and know us well show up for us. And of course they're going to.
Who better than somebody who is connected to you, and that knows you, and that is there to bless you, and is familiar with you? And it was just this beautiful experience. Um, there was another one, another story, and this one wasn't too long ago, and I'm, I'd be, I'm trying to be very careful, 'cause I'm keeping the confidentiality of my clients, but-
a lot of them have also given me permission to share stories. But there was one not too long ago. I was working with a young man, and he, um, he was just struggling with some addictions. It's one common, a pro- pornography he was struggling with. We were trying to work through it and give him some tools. And, and as I was meeting with him and just trying to figure out, okay, what, what other tools do we need?
And then I was talking to him about some stresses. And as I was talking about his stresses, I'm like, "Okay, I'm getting a stress that's coming up, and it was about, like, this time in your life." I'm like, I th- I remember. It was like 5, 10 years ago. And I sat there for a second and I was like, "What happened?" I, I'm like, "It feels like something happened, like, five years ago."
And he sat there, and he kind of, like, got a little bit of a smile on his face and kinda closed his eyes and he got a little smile on his face, and he's like I had a friend die
[00:22:33] Haley Freeman: Ooh
[00:22:34] Wendi Christensen: And he died in a car crash. And he said that was really hard and how difficult it was. And he was holding onto a lot of guilt still from that night because he felt some guilt over he didn't go with this friend.
Instead, he, he was busy and he said, "I can't go with that friend." So he said, "Hey, you know, go do what you're gonna do. I'm so sorry, I'm not gonna be able to join you. Um, I'll see you tomorrow." Well, his friend actually died that night, and he felt so guilty that he had not been there and gone there or had his friend join him.
And so I'm like, "We need to let go of that. Let's, let's work on releasing that." And so I walked him through the steps of forgiveness to release that. And it's interesting, as we did, I started... I'm like, "Okay, I think I'm feeling-" This per- and I started... And again, it was amazing to me, this person showed up.
And I'm like, "Is he like this? Is this his personality? Is this kind of how he acted?" And he's like, "Totally, and that's so something he would say." Uh-huh. 'Cause I'm like, "I think he's saying this." He's like, "That is so something he would say." And, and again, he was like, "Oh, yeah." And then he felt him. He's like, "I can totally feel him here."
And I'm like, "I think he wants you to do this." And he was like, "Yeah, I've actually was just thinking about that recently," which is so fascinating. So another thing I've learned is that our loved ones, when they are around us, you will often have memories of them. Like, you'll have different things pop into your head, um, different memories of them will pop into your head, like past memories or fun things or maybe a song that was a favorite song will play on the radio or something like that.
Or maybe it's like some people I know will think of like a butterfly, like a butterfly will symbolize their grandma or something like that. But often you'll have memories of that person when they are around you, when they're doing things around you. So that was really fascinating to have that show up, and that was such a beautiful moment.
I was so grateful that I got to be a part of that sacred moment for him and his healing process, and actually letting go of the guilt so that he could move forward and let go. 'Cause his friend was like, "I'm fine. I'm good. Like, let go of that." So he was able to actually, um, fully let go of the guilt that he was feeling because of that experience.
And so it was just wonderful. Just an amazing thing. On the flip side of that, I've also seen how sometimes Satan can step into experiences or he can, um, come in and bug us or bother us. Mm-hmm. And, and sometimes that is through, through those challenges that we might be, like a trial or an addiction or, you know, even negative thoughts about ourselves where we can think horrible, awful things about ourselves.
And I've recognized that if we are feeling a lot of... Like, if you're not feeling like yourself, you're feeling really off, and there's just something that just feels like this isn't typical, normal me. I feel more depressed than I usually do. I feel more anxious than I've ever felt before. Um, I just feel unsettled and not grounded or centered.
Um, that's typically Satan or his many minions that he has that work for him, um, that can be bothering you or that can be annoying you, 'cause that's how Satan works, right? He has people that, you know, those devils and evil and unclean spirits, they're still around us. They, they came here. That's their job.
They're around us.
[00:25:59] Haley Freeman: That's their
[00:26:00] Wendi Christensen: job right now. It's their job, and it's their job to whisper- To whisper. Yeah. It's their job to whisper to us, "Hey, you're no good. You're worthless. You can't do that. You're never..." They, like, really zone in on our weaknesses, and they exacerbate those things, and they make them worse.
And I've been in many situations where I'm working with someone, and I'm like- you're being worked on right now, and this is not coming from the Lord, and we need to get rid of it. And that's also the other beautiful thing is we can call upon the Savior any time to say, "Hey, can you please lift this?" And I just...
There's a, a book called I Need Thee Every Hour by Blaine Nordgren, and he was an author. He was an LDS author who wrote a lot of books. And in that book, he talked about as when he was a bishop, he would have people just call it what it was and get rid of it. And I learned that that's been a wonderful tool.
So I'll have people say, like c- you know, "In the name of Jesus Christ, I command the spirit of s- of fear to leave," or the spirit of depression, the fear of not being whatever. Whatever it is, or the feeling of worthlessness, or not being enough to leave, or not being seen or heard or valued. Whatever it is that you're really struggling with and carrying that's really heavy, to just ask for it to be lifted, and a lot of times that immediate relief will come.
Mm-hmm. Um, there's a lot more behind that, of course, but that's kind of a quick and easy, simple thing that will come because, again, it's Satan's trying to... He'll take anything and make it worse, and really, really exacerbate the situation to where you feel so off and not like yourself. And even... And sometimes it's work, right?
Like, I had a session the other day that was... it was really hard. It was really heavy. Um, sometimes when I've got a really hard session, it'll go longer, and this lady was like, "I just wanna, you know, hammer this out. I'm not gonna c-..." She, she traveled a long distance to come see me, and she's like, "I don't care the time.
Let's just get it all done. I wanna hammer this all out." And so we, we had, like, a three-hour session. That's not normal. That's not typical. It was a really long session. Mm-hmm. And so I was like, "Are you sure? Like, we can," but she's like, "Yeah, let's just hammer out. I wanna get all my stresses, you know, taken care of.
I wanna work on everything today." Well, I remember when she left, even though we had done some really good things, but when we left, I felt like Satan was mad at me. He was like, "I do not like what you did. I am not happy with you." And I felt this, like, heaviness that I just couldn't, I couldn't get rid of for a little bit.
And I, and I knew it was him, but I remember walking around going, "Ugh, this does not feel good. I don't feel like myself. I feel off." I just kept feeling so off. And I realized that I had to go and take a minute to just... I came back and I tried to go back, you know, to take care of Mom's stuff and family stuff, and I had to take a minute and just go through all the things that I needed to, to do my own forgiving stuff, and then casting out and clearing.
And I like to do, like, a grounding meditation and just making sure that I was in a good space. And it took me a little while to, like, get rid of it and work through it, but the most beautiful thing is when you just truly feel the Savior step in- Mm-hmm ... and go, "Okay, let me help you." And just giving it to Him, and just calling upon my angels to come help and lift the things that are there that are not serving me or serving my family, and stepping into that space with the Lord.
He is always there every single time. Every single time. And that doesn't mean that everything gets taken care of. You know, I work with lots of people. That doesn't mean that the depression instantly is gone or disappears, or that... or the anxiety is completely gone. But I can tell you, it will assist it. It will help it, and it'll give you the strength to keep going and to keep moving forward.
You still have to keep applying the tools, you know, that you- you've learned or the things that help you, especially things that bring light into your life, um, whether that's music or exercise or good conversations with people. Like, you still have to keep applying and practicing those things, but there's so much strength when you allow the Savior to step in and help you to feel capable and to feel like you're enough, and that you can keep going and you can keep moving forward in whatever challenge it is that you're facing, right?
'Cause there's so much that you have to deal with.
[00:30:17] Haley Freeman: Yeah, I remember, uh, my stake president saying once, you can, every time, you can, when you're feeling that pain and that problem, you can ask the Savior to take it, and He will. And he goes, "I wish , it's one and done. Like, one time, done, and you're forever done.
But it, He doesn't work like that. And because... And the pain will come back, and you'll have to ask Him to take it again. And then it will come back. You'll have to ask Him to take it again." And he goes, "That's because you have to build that relationship with the Savior."
[00:30:44] Misti Smith: Mm.
[00:30:45] Haley Freeman: And you have to... He wants you to keep learning to keep going back to Him and to keep relying on Him- Yeah
and to build that unconditional relationship and love to Him. And that's something that I have a testimony of, that it does work. It works every time. Every time you say- Heavenly Father, I can't take anymore. And Savior, please ask him to come take that pain. And you can give him that pain, and he will take it every time, and he will give you that comfort every time.
[00:31:17] Wendi Christensen: Yeah.
[00:31:18] Haley Freeman: But it does, it comes back. But then you can go to him again. And as soon as you ask for it, he will take it again.
[00:31:25] Wendi Christensen: Yeah.
[00:31:26] Misti Smith: I guess there's wisdom in, in waking up and starting your day off with prayer, huh? Talking to God, being able to have that insight throughout your day.
[00:31:36] Wendi Christensen: Yeah.
[00:31:37] Misti Smith: So Wendi, I had a, I had a question, or actually a, an, a thought that popped in my mind.
Um, you said multiple times that you sit with the hard with clients, or sit in the hard with clients. But you seem like you are a very happy person. So I, I'm really curious, because we all go through trials.
[00:31:59] Wendi Christensen: Yeah.
[00:31:59] Misti Smith: We are going through some really hard stuff right now. You can tell. But, um, honestly, I, I thought about that when you said that, and I'm like, you know, for all the mothers that are out there, and fathers, parents that are listening that have to sit with the hard, in the hard, knowing their kids are struggling, or, or if someone knows a friend is struggling, or even if they have to sit within their own hard.
Mm-hmm. How do you do it? How do you sit in that and still reach, and not want to just withdraw?
[00:32:34] Wendi Christensen: Mm. What a good question, Misty. Um, I mean, obviously I have hard, too. It's just different than... You know, we all have our own story, and our own hard and our difficult moments. And as difficult it is, as it is- Mm-hmm
those hard things, I try to look at the eternal perspective of they're bringing me to the place that I need to be. Because if my goal is to become like my heavenly parents, then those hard and difficult moments are shaping me. They're not fun to go through. Mm-hmm. But they're shaping me, and they're teaching me things that I need to learn.
And if I can remember that, um, that helps me to get through it, to get through that process. But I think it's also a matter of- I kinda see it, we're going through fall. We're going through different seasons, right? There's a change. There's a season change. And we all go through different seasons in our lives.
Mm-hmm. And, and sometimes we need to stop and look at the season of our life and why it's there. Like, I, I'll be honest, last week I was grieving pretty hard. I have a daughter. My, my oldest just went to college, and I was not in a good place last week. Um- Yeah. She's been in college for a little bit, but it's changed.
You know, I was pretty close to her. And it's just part of life, and I realize that. I see that. It's just part of life. She's growing. She's becoming more independent. Um, I, I, I loved my mom, but I didn't have a super close relationship with my mom, and I, like, I strived. I only have one daughter, so I've just strived so much to have a close relationship with her.
And so I was seeing distance. She was having some, you know, great things happen in her life, and I was finding about, about it, like, kinda through the grapevine. Anyways, I had to step back 'cause I was like, "I am grieving the loss of what my relationship was."
[00:34:29] Haley Freeman: Yeah.
[00:34:29] Wendi Christensen: And I think that that's a big part of it, is you just kinda have to be present with where you are in the moment, and feel it, and not run from it, and not avoid it.
And that way, then you can allow the Lord to step into it with you. But if we avoid it, and we try to run from it and hide from it, it makes it also difficult for the Lord to step into it with you. If that makes sense. Like, I had to stop and go, "I'm grieving." Like, this is really hard because I'm grieving.
This is a loss for me. Um, this is really difficult, and this is a, a moment that's, that I need to just sit in for a minute and be okay with it, and realize that it's not easy, and that's okay that it's not easy, and I just need to... Like, I consciously was like, "I just need to sit in it with the Lord for a minute and, and realize that He's in control, and I don't see it, and I don't understand it, but He's in control and I can turn her over to Him, 'cause I can trust Him."
And that's made it so much different for me this week because now I can step into it and go, "This is good. Like, what's happening for her is really good, and she's becoming independent, and she's growing and getting more comfortable." And she's, she her, in her own words said, "I'm thriving. I am thriving." Yay.
And I'm like, what mom doesn't want her kid thriving, you know? Right. I'm like, why am I not happy that she's thriving? I should be happy that she's thriving, and I couldn't be in that space last week. But this week, I'm able to step more into that space where I'm okay with it, and it's because I'm actually taking the time as well to do what I need to for me.
Because I think especially as moms, we don't stop and take time to do what we need to to take care of us. So I had to go and do the hard work of what are my emotions, what am I feeling, why am I feeling it, what can I do to work through that, how can I, like, let go of some of that and release some of that and keep working through it?
And that's okay, too. Um, I have twin boys, and they, they kinda dropped a bomb on me Monday night. They're 16 years old. Oh, no. And they both had their first kisses, like, within two weeks of each other.
[00:36:41] Misti Smith: Ah. Twins.
[00:36:41] Wendi Christensen: And I kind of, it was like a bomb dropped on... And they dropped it on me the, like, the same night. We were going to have prayer for family prayer, and they're like, "By the way, we wanted to tell you we both had our first kiss."
Oh. And I was like, "What?" What? And one son did it very carefully and cautiously, and the other son did not at all. Oh. He was just very, like- It didn't go so well. That's hilarious. And so, like, but the so- but he's like, "But it was so awesome, Mom. It was great." And I was like, "It was really awkward," 'cause it was the first one for both of us, you know?
And it should be really happy and fun, but I was like, as a mom, I'm just like, "My kids are all growing up." Yeah. "There's so much change. It's too much all at once." So-
[00:37:22] Haley Freeman: I
[00:37:22] Wendi Christensen: love it ... um, so I had to sit back and my son, like later on, he's like, "I- you're not reacting the way that I thought you would." Mm-hmm. He's like, "I thought you would be really happy and excited."
And I had to share with him. I was honest. I just said, "It's not that. Like, I want you to know, like, kissing can be awesome," 'cause I didn't want him to feel shame. I'm like, "It can be so awesome- Yeah ... and so great." I said, "I think I'm just overwhelmed right now, and it was a lot for me to absorb. And so I'm just processing it, so if you can just give me some time to process it, I think I'll be okay."
Oh, no, no. 'Cause he was, like, concerned about my reaction, and I was like, I had to be real with him. I had to just be honest. And I was like, "I'm still in the processing it, 'cause there's been a lot that's happened and I just... Just give me a minute and then, and then I'd love to talk through it a bit more with you."
And we were. We were able to
[00:38:10] Haley Freeman: talk through it. That's funny that they told you. Yeah. My son, I was like- He was dating, he was dating a girl. And I was like, "Oh, so do you, have you had your first kiss?" He's like, "Mom, I had my first kiss, like, years ago." I was like, "What? No.
[00:38:24] Wendi Christensen: What?" I was like, "How come you didn't tell me?"
Well, I, um... And that's the thing. I was so grateful he did. It's just- Yeah ... the one had a little make out session, and I was like, "Oh." Yeah. With a girl he didn't know for very long. And I was like- Aw ... "Okay." Oh, shoot. Well, that's so funny. Anyways, but yeah. But it's just- I think it's just, it's okay to, to not be okay.
Yeah. That's, that's the other thing is it's okay to not be okay. And, and even to have our kids see that. Like, for me, I was like, "I want my kids to know that I'm not always okay." 'Cause they've gotta learn that it's okay to not be okay, and that you're gonna have feelings, and you're gonna have emotions, and things aren't always gonna be easy, and I'm working through it.
And I really think there's power behind kids understanding and seeing that too, 'cause they don't need to see a perfect mom. Yeah. That's not gonna help them. It's not gonna do any good for them to just see a perfect mom. Um, 'cause they need, they need to realize and understand that we're human, and we're real, and we make mistakes too.
And I think that will help them. And then it's
[00:39:23] Haley Freeman: good for them to see that you made it. You're okay now.
[00:39:26] Wendi Christensen: Yeah.
[00:39:26] Haley Freeman: And you're fine, and you made it through the hard, and you're fine now.
[00:39:29] Wendi Christensen: Absolutely. And then it was a process for me. Yes. And then it took me, you know, a couple days to be like, "Okay, I'm okay now." I'm gonna admit it, you know?
It's just different feelings and different emotions for different seasons, and that's okay.
That's what we're meant to go through. Because this earth is imperfect, and God knew he was sending us to a very imperfect world, and he knew that there were gonna be problems, and it was gonna be messy, and it was gonna be hard, and it was gonna be difficult. And he wants us to come to him in the messy.
He wants us to be able to work through the hard and the difficult. And that he's gonna be there because we learn so many valuable things in the hard and the difficult and the messy. And as long as we just keep turning our heart towards him, like, he's there no matter if we turn... If we're hardened heart or we're not a hardened heart, it doesn't matter.
He's gonna be there no matter what. But I think it's a little easier if we turn to him in those messy times and, and try to seek his guidance than if we're just trying to wing it and do it all on our own. Um, because it is gonna be hard, and it's gonna be difficult. But we also have to take care of ourselves and pause and find that rest and find what brings...
I always like to talk to my clients about what brings light into your life, and focus on that. Once you let go, like you forgive and let go, or you release and let go, you look at, okay, are there any action steps I need to take in moving forward? And then getting back into that true, authentic self I think is bringing light back to you.
And that could look so different for every person. It can be, um... You know, for me, it's music. I love music. And so music is so inspiring and uplifting, and it just fills my soul. I can feel the Spirit so much stronger with music than anything else. So for me, it's either listening or singing or playing the piano.
For some people, it's exercise. I, I have people that they're like, "Oh, I love exercising. Just feeds my soul, and I love to go on walks." The runner. The running. That's what she- Yeah. And it just feeds my soul. Yeah. And it's that thing that reaches the depths, right? And that's... So find it and do it. And for some people, yes, it's gonna be, maybe scriptures and prayer aren't gonna be your answer, but they can definitely bring light into your life, and they can definitely...
Like, maybe it's finding a different way to look at it. I have a really good friend. She's so good at prayer. She'll get a notebook and she'll write her question, and then she sits there and listens. And then she writes the first thing that comes to her mind, and then she asks a follow-up question, and then she writes the next thing.
It's this beautiful way with prayer that it's a conversation for her. And I'm like, "That's so wonderful." I love that that feeds her soul. And so, or maybe it's listening to a beautiful podcast, right? And becoming ins- inspired by it. Or, um, being able to go and h- talk to a friend and have lunch with them that just lifts your day.
I always make all my clients give me three things they're grateful for at the end of every session, because I've learned that gratitude actually raises your vibrational energy level, and it helps you to restructure things in your brain, in your mind. Yeah. And it helps you to see things from a whole different perspective.
So I, I also include gratitude. That can bring so much light and joy to people as well. So it's
[00:42:33] Haley Freeman: finding- That's something that I've started doing with my family, like, after our scripture, or part of our scripture study every day, I, I pull out a journal and I said, "Okay, everybody, what's something you've been grateful for today?
Or something that you've seen God's hand in today?"
[00:42:45] Wendi Christensen: Love it.
[00:42:45] Haley Freeman: And so I'm making them all say it. My teenage son is like, "Ugh." And I'm like, "Just- "... I don't care what it is. Come on. Just one thing. Come on." But he's doing it, so it's cute. It's cute.
[00:42:55] Wendi Christensen: I love that, Haley. And it is. Yeah. And it, hopefully he'll see that that's a way that God's, he can see God's hand in his life.
That's what I'm
[00:43:03] Haley Freeman: hoping, yeah.
[00:43:04] Wendi Christensen: Yeah. Mm-hmm, yeah. And it, and it does, it brings... My daughter, she's dealt with some depression and anxiety, and she, she started doing that. She put this, she made a poster, and it was how she saw God's hand in her life every day, and she put it up on her wall. And every day she would write one thing.
And it was so fun to see. Like, I'd go and I'd read some of the things that she'd write on there. And I remember one day it was these, these girls had, um, she was walking. They were like, she was a senior and they were junior or, uh, sophomores. And she was walking by and they, they were kind of, like, calling people out.
Like, they were kind of saying mean things. They were like- Oh, no ... "No, no, no, look at that," or, "Look at that." And she walked by and the girls stopped her. She'd like, the, one of the girls went to say something, and she stopped her and she's like, "No, she's awesome. She's cool. Don't say anything to her." And she was like- Oh
as crazy as it sounds, that made her day. She's like- Yeah ... "I didn't know these girls," but they were- Yeah ... they were, like, nice and kind and didn't say... And that was on her thing. Oh. And then another time she went running and she passed this girl, and they smiled at each other, and she wrote that on her, on her paper.
Yeah. She's like- Like- ... "The girl that smiled at me."
[00:44:08] Haley Freeman: Yeah. Like for Ashton, it was like, "It rained today, so I got out of mowing the lawn." There you go. Hey. There you go. I'll take it. And you can learn from that. I'll take it.
[00:44:18] Wendi Christensen: But it, it's helping them to see things. You're, you're starting to see the world around you in a different light, in a different perspective when you see- Yeah,
[00:44:25] Haley Freeman: it retrains your brain
grateful for it. Yes. It really does. Absolutely. Wow. Um, so you mentioned, I was thinking especially with the client who his friend passed away, how you had him release that. So can you tell us kind of what that looks like?
[00:44:41] Wendi Christensen: Mm-hmm Yeah, so the steps to forgiveness that I teach from Dr.
Graf, they're called the Steps to Forgiveness, it's four basic steps. They're super easy. They're not hard, but they're so powerful when you use them. So the steps are easy, , but the actual saying and doing it isn't always easy because sometimes we put all these c- like restrictions or conditions around forgiveness, or we think that, um, like we'll put conditions like, "I'll forgive when," or, "It's not right," or, "What they did was completely...
I'm condoning if I forgive them." Mm-hmm. And you have to separate that from forgiveness because the Lord said, "I will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it's required to forgive all men." So the way that I look at forgiveness is very different. I look at forgiveness as it's an actual physical release.
Your body is physically releasing whatever hurt or offense it's holding onto. And so I see it as I'm releasing it and I'm giving all that hurt and pain, it's like it's in a ball, and I'm giving it completely to the Savior, and then He can feel it, and then He experiences all of the hurt and the pain and the betrayal or the sadness or the anger.
Whatever it is, He feels it, and then He gives us this beautiful healing in return. So if you think of forgiveness as this exchange with the Savior, and it really doesn't have anything to do with the person, the offender, it's all between you and the Savior, it makes it so much easier. So what you do is you just say, "I forgive," out loud to yourself, because who needs to hear it the most?
You do, right? You need to hear it the most. So in the shower is a great place. Driving in the car, I do a lot in the car of my forgiving. Yeah. Um, or in a closet or a shower or whatever. And I'll say, "I forgive." Not I will, I need to, I should. That's postponing or delaying it, but I forgive, and then the specific person.
Sometimes it's, sometimes it's yourself, like I forgive myself. So in
[00:46:35] Haley Freeman: the case of that patient, it was himself, but for holding that in, right?
[00:46:39] Wendi Christensen: Yes. Yep. So I had him forgive himself for the things that he was holding onto. Um, and then the specific reason. So you forgive the person and the reason why. And then the, the last step, 'cause I have four steps.
So saying it out loud, present tense, being specific, and then remember the 70 times 7 principle, which is there's no limit to forgiveness. So let's say you've forgiven... Like, there's a couple reasons for that. If you've forgiven, um, but maybe, maybe you still... If you ever have the energy come back where it's, like, a negative, like, "I'm still angry.
Like, I forgave, but I'm angry," you need to forgive again. The Lord's like, "Okay, give it to me again." There's no limit to forgiveness is basically what He's saying. Um, or let's say it's something from the past, you know. Everybody can remember a time probably when they were in elementary school and somebody was mean to them or bullied them or something.
And so maybe you haven't thought about it, and then all of a sudden it pops into your head, and you're like, "Oh, I remember in third grade Suzy was so mean to me. Ah." Then you need to probably go back and you need to go and forgive her again. Not for her, it's for you. It's for your benefit. So I'd be like, "I forgive Suzy when she bullied me in third grade and was mean, and she da, da, this, and da, da, da, da, da, da."
If you're not feeling any relief after you say it, then you probably haven't said or hit the right thing. 'Cause sometimes when I'm talking to people they're like- I don't know if it really did any good." Well, I'm like, "Okay, let's talk about it." And as we talk about it, then I'll say, "Well, did you forgive for this or for this?"
And they're like, "Oh, I didn't realize that. No." And then they'll forgive for whatever that suggestion is, and they're like, "I feel so much lighter now." And that's the beauty of forgiveness. You feel so much lighter. It doesn't take the problem away, but it's like the problem goes from right in front of your eyes and it moves out, so you can start seeing with clarity.
And even in a pattern, like sometimes in, you know, relationships we get into unhealthy patterns. Mm-hmm. Even if it's a pattern that you're seeing, if you keep forgiving, you can still take action steps to, to do what you need to to maybe stop the pattern or break the pattern or say what you need to to stop the pattern, if that makes sense.
So if it's an unhealthy pattern, it still gives you the strength to switch the pattern or take the action step. Because just because you forgive doesn't m- it doesn't make it right. Sometimes it's I need to forgive and then have a hard conversation, or I forgive and I put a boundary in place, or I forgive and I cut off a relationship that's not good for me.
That's okay. Mm-hmm. That's totally fine. The forgiveness is for you to let go of it and to heal, and you still need to take action steps. So if it's something unhealthy, an unhealthy pattern, then forgive and still take the action step. And then sometimes you just forgive and you do let it go, and there's nothing more to do.
You move on. And I find that once you do that, you just feel so, um, so much lighter and brighter and able to be able to move forward in your own life and do what you need to do
[00:49:38] Misti Smith: Mm, beautiful. Wendi, I love that. I feel like every day you go to work, you must come home and feel like, "I did something good for the world."
Right. And for someone else, because you- For the most part ... well, I just, I mean, even talking to you today, there's just so many good thoughts. I've thought about how to help myself overcome and, and be better and have a relationship with Christ. And I- Yeah ... so thank you, Wendi. Appreciate it.
[00:50:05] Wendi Christensen: Well, and that's really all, I mean, really all of us are, are just conduits of His love, right?
We just, I just consider myself a facilitator of His love, 'cause it's, it's Christ's love that changes and heals people. And that's what I see over and over and over again. When we allow Him to step in with us, no matter how hard or difficult it is, and no matter how much we feel like we're not enough, He always steps in and next to us and says, "It's okay.
I am enough, and I will help you be enough." And if we can remember that, I feel like it will help with whatever challenge or trial. And I struggle with it, too. Like, I have to step back and go, "Okay, that's right. I gotta remember that," in, in my hard times, too. And when I do, it really helps. But also centering and focusing.
Every day before I meet with clients, I think, "Okay, who do I have today?" I'll look at my schedule, and then I'll go, "Okay, Heavenly Father, what do I need to listen to or hear or read today?" And so as I'm starting my day off, I'll like, like I'll listen to a podcast or I'll read a scripture or I'll listen to a talk or something that's important that will set the mood for the day- Mm
so that I can show up and do what I need to do for Him. Beautiful.
[00:51:15] Haley Freeman: Wonderful. So in closing, do you have one final message that you just want? If, if they could only remember one thing from your interview today, what would it be?
[00:51:25] Wendi Christensen: I would say to remember that even though you don't see, you may not understand or see the entire plan, um, God has so much in store for you, and he has so many people around to bless you and to help you.
So I guess the biggest thing would be don't forget that you are never alone. You can also call upon those angels and warriors at any time. I know... There's a quote from Elder Holland, and I can't remember the one, but he talks about how angels will come in, and they're there instantly for you. But I would say the final thing is that remember that they are there, and you can call upon them at any time. I feel like the more specific we are in our prayers, the more specific our answer is. And if you just say, "Hey, can I have my angels be discharged to come and help me?"
They are there constantly. Your loved ones are there around you to bless you. But don't forget that your enemy's there, too. Like, that's kind of weird to talk about your enemy, but you have an enemy that's there trying to thwart you and destroy you, and you also have to remember that that war in Heaven just moved to the war on Earth.
Yeah. And so that battle is constant, and you have to do everything you can to stay strong in the battle and realize that Satan's gonna attack you where you're the weakest. So that's why we want to work on our weak points, is because we need to recognize when he's attacking us, and it... and fight back. And the biggest way you can fight back is to remember who you truly are, to remember that You are really truly children of heavenly parents that care about you and that love you and that want your success, and that you have a savior that sees you and loves you and is there with you, and has all these people that are good and wonderful around helping and that are there to get you through that if you will just continue to call upon them.
And, and that he will give you the tools you need when you need them. And sometimes it is a struggle to have them. He hasn't abandoned you. He's still there. It's just sometimes it's building your immune system, right? Like, we get sick and we think, "Ugh, I hate being sick." But he's building your immune system so that you can get stronger and continue overcoming whatever challenge that is.
And in the hard times, I mean, I've seen so many difficult things through the clients that have come, you know, abuse and health problems and, um, just h- hard, hard, horrible, difficult things. But I can truly say that through all of them, all those hard and difficult things, um, he is always there with them, and he's always there with you and your listeners.
I know he is, if you will just call upon them and continue the fight, continue the fight forward, don't give up the fight, because you always have somebody there with you.
[00:54:04] Haley Freeman: Mm. Thank you. Welcome. So, um, I wanted you to talk about your event that's coming up.
[00:54:09] Wendi Christensen: Yes. Okay. So on November 14th, we are gonna be doing a sacred half-day healing retreat for women. And what I've done in the past is it's been more like classroom instruction, and we decided we needed something more experiential. Mm. So we decided to do more of an experiential thing to help you to really feel that, like just exactly what I've been talking about.
So we're gonna do, I'm gonna do a Christ-centered meditation, and we're gonna do a sound bath. If you've never done one, it sounds kind of weird, but it's this beautiful experience where you have different sounds that you just get bathed in these beautiful sounds that help you to relax and to calm.
But it's really just to help women, 'cause you do so much, we do so much for so many other people that we rarely take time for us. And so what we wanted was just this half-day retreat to take some time for you to really feel that peace and that strength and that I'm gonna be okay. We're gonna have some journaling moments.
We're gonna have a light lunch. Um, we're gonna look at something called a not to-do list and how we can actually- ... like not feel so overwhelmed as we're going into the holidays. So it should be just this beautiful rejuvenating experience.
[00:55:18] Haley Freeman: I love that you're doing it with Tamara K. Anderson.
She was a guest last season, last season. Yes. Wow. We loved her. Thank you. So yeah, if you wanna check out her episode, it was last se- season, and- Yes ... she'll be there too. She's
[00:55:30] Wendi Christensen: gonna be- Yep, Women Warriors of Light. She- we're combined. I work with Tamara and Women Warriors of Light, and we're combining with them.
And so she's gonna be teaching the not to-do list and a bunch of other, like, grounding and centering things as well. So she and I are combining forces and are gonna run the whole retreat. So it's gonna be an awesome experience. That's great. So
[00:55:45] Haley Freeman: how do we sign up for that? Mm-hmm.
[00:55:47] Wendi Christensen: So if you go to my website, it's Wendichristiansencounseling.com.
It's right there. You can go and sign up. Or if you wanna bring a friend, it's even cheaper. Um, we have a two-for-one basically deal. It's a lot cheaper to do that if you want to
[00:56:01] Haley Freeman: bring a friend. I'll put the link in the description and in the show notes on our website too.
So.
[00:56:05] Wendi Christensen: Awesome.
[00:56:06] Haley Freeman: And then your book. Yes. What is the best way for people to get their their hands on that as well?
[00:56:10] Wendi Christensen: Um, you can just go to amazon.com. It's the Release, Renew, Restore: 3 Ways to Personalize Christ's Atonement. And just order it straight off of Amazon.
[00:56:19] Haley Freeman: Awesome. Excited to get that. Well, thank you.
You, you are just-
[00:56:22] Misti Smith: Thanks,
[00:56:22] Haley Freeman: ladies ...
[00:56:23] Misti Smith: such a blessing to the world. We know.
[00:56:26] Wendi Christensen: Oh, thanks
[00:56:27] Misti Smith: for having me on. You've never had, you know, all these miracles have happened to you and to your clients, and you've been able to absorb them and pass them on to us. So- Yeah ... you're a miracle in people's lives too. So- Yeah ... all the best to you.
[00:56:39] Wendi Christensen: Thank you, ladies. Thanks for having me on. Yep. I appreciate it.
[00:56:42] Misti Smith: Thank you.
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