Episode Twenty-eight: Shining Through Darkness: Tiffany Journey of Surviving a Mother with Multiple Personalities.
Hosts Haley Hatch Freeman and Misty Smith welcome author, speaker, and clinical mental health counseling graduate student Tiffany Fletcher. Tiffany shares how faith practices like hymns, scripture, and focusing on gratitude helped her endure a violent childhood with a mother diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder (multiple personalities), including 14 personalities ranging from a three- year-old boy to terrifying encounters with an alter named “Bill.” She teaches about recognizing Satan’s tactics, using prayer, fasting, and faith to push back darkness, and becoming “light keepers” in the latter-days. Tiffany describes a pivotal mission experience that reframed her mother as someone who broke cycles of abuse.
Tiffany Fletcher
Trigger Warning: This episode contains sensitive content about sexual abuse.
Tiffany’s mom who was diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder (multiple personalities)
Tiffany’s mom, Tiffany, and her sister.
Tiffany on her mission
Tiffany’s family
Tiffany’s book
Tiffany’s new release
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Mother Had a Secret: Learning to Love My Mother and Her Multiple Personalities: https://www.deseretbook.com/product/P5051405.html
Tiffany’s video: https://youtu.be/h7-AKOI0Aco
Transcript
Welcome to Latter-day Miracles, where we share true stories of angels and marvels. Get ready to enjoy accounts from everyday people that remind us of divine love, that we're never truly alone, and the power of faith in these latter days. I'm Haley Hatch Freeman. And I'm Misty Smith. Sit back, open your heart, and prepare to be inspired.
[00:00:26] Haley Freeman: Welcome to Latter-day Miracles.
Today, we have Tiffany Fletcher. I am so excited to bring her to you. She is a friend of mine that we met doing, some podcasts for Women Warriors of Light. And we were able to be, um, co-host, talking about scriptures and, um, sharing our testimonies and knowledge of those with some other women on those podcasts.
And I was just so impressed with her testimony and her story. Her life story is a miracle of itself, and she truly is the miracle that came out of her story. And so I'm excited for you guys to hear her and learn from her insights, and I know you'll be touched by her story. So I'll go ahead and have Misty read her bio, and then we'll turn the time over to Tiffany.
[00:01:14] Misty Smith: All right. Okay. Tiffany Fletcher is a writer, speaker, and graduate student in clinical mental health counseling based in Utah. A mother of five and grandmother to one, she is deeply passionate about strengthening women and families through faith, resilience, and emotional healing. Tiffany is the author of Mother Had a Secret: Learning to Love My Mother and Her Multiple Personalities, a memoir reflecting the lessons she learned growing up with a mother who had a dissociative identity disorder. And Clothed in the Armor of Light, a Christ-centered guide to help readers build spiritual strength and prepare their hearts for the challenges of today's world. Her work often weaves together personal experience, biblical truth, and practical tools to help others find light in dark and uncertain seasons.
After spending years working as a writer and editor, Tiffany felt called to expand her impact by pursuing a degree in counseling, with a focus on supporting women, adolescents, and children who have experienced trauma or are navigating life's most difficult transitions. She plans to work in private practice and faith-based settings, helping others reconnect with God and discover their life's purpose.
I love that so much, and I feel like that some of those things that we've discussed, um, that Haley and I have discussed on what we wanna do with the podcast align with things you want to do in helping people see their worth and their value in God's light. So can you tell us more about, what you're doing, what you want to do.
I'm just curious. I love the titles of your books, so I'm curious.
[00:03:01] Tiffany Fletcher: Oh, thank you. Well, I, I feel I've always been, um, a pursuer of light, I guess you could say. Um, growing up with a mom who had multiple personalities, it was, uh, as you can imagine, it was really hard. There was a lot of dark days there. And, um, the things that brought me joy and brought me, um, so much peace was light, things that brought light.
So I would, I would sing hymns, I would play my flute, I would read scripture, I would listen to, um, talks, like conference talks and those things. Um, they brought so much light and gratitude. Oh. Even I played, when I was young, I played the glad game. I don't know if you've heard that, it really dates me because Pollyanna, um, it was like a- Oh
an old Disney movie and, and she taught about the glad game, and that was, like, finding, um, what you're glad for in difficult situations. And so when I was young, I started doing that, and I didn't realize then that that's actually, um, positive psychology, right? Like, that is actually- Wow ... um, learning how to retrain your brain to see the good instead of focusing on the negative, the negative bias that we're used to.
And so, um, I've just been fascinated with light my whole life, of learning how we can, um, find our way out of darkness and into the light. And for me, that's finding my way out of the darkness and into the light of the Savior. And I just feel that that's such an important piece of our world that sometimes we miss out on.
We forget about that. And so as I step into this realm as a therapist, I feel like, um, that is where my focus, I want my focus to be on, um, Christ-centered healing, where we're learning how to move from the darkness and heal from it, and step into Christ's light, um, using his atonement to, to really help, um, shift some of those traumatic events that happen in our lives so that we can more fully embrace the light and the healing that He has to offer.
[00:04:53] Haley Freeman: Absolutely. Yeah, every time I'm going through something really hard, and the pain is just so intense, the only thing I can do is just take it to the Savior and say, "Take this. Please just pull this pain from me." And I have to just do these visualizations of just giving him, "Okay, here's my grief, here's my heartache, here's my whatever," and just visualize him taking it, and it, and it works.
It's the only thing and the only way that I've been able to get any peace.
[00:05:20] Tiffany Fletcher: Yeah. It's true. And, and that for me, same thing. I remember, um, there were days when my mom, um, she had... So she had 14 different alters- Wow ... um, including, um, ranged in age from a three-year little boy all the way up to a very violent man who, um, whose name was Bill.
Um, and he- Wow ... when he came out, um, it was very, very scary. I mean, he threatened us with a butcher knife. He strangled us. He-
[00:05:46] Haley Freeman: Whoa ...
[00:05:46] Tiffany Fletcher: um, he just was really, really... It was hard. It was hard when, when my mom came out and Bill was the alter there. And so, um, on those days I remember running to my room and I would barricade myself against the door and, um, so that she couldn't get in.
And as she was banging on the door, I would just sing hymns. I would sing, "I'm trying to be like Jesus. I'm following in His ways." Mm-hmm. And as I sang that song, it would help me, um, remember that my savior was with me. And there were times when I would, like you said Haley, imagine that he was sitting with me with his arm around me, just holding me until it was safe again.
And, um, I think that that is how we are gonna get through these last days, is remembering to walk with Him. Because we know that as we come closer to the Savior's second coming, that, that life is not gonna get any easier. It's gonna get , it's gonna get harder. And we're told that gross darkness will cover the world.
Well, if gross darkness is covering the world, then we need to be emissaries of light, and we need to learn how to bring that light into our lives. And so that is where, um, I feel God is calling me, is to teach that light. And so my book that actually, it actually just came out today, so this is so funny how it worked out that way.
Um-
[00:07:08] Haley Freeman: Hoorah. Where can, where can the audience get that book? 'Cause I know we're all gonna wanna read it. Mm-hmm.
[00:07:13] Tiffany Fletcher: It's on Amazon. So it's on Amazon, um, and it's both in paperback and you can read it on Kindle. So- Awesome ...
[00:07:19] Haley Freeman: I was just gonna say, that's your new one. Yeah. And then the story about living with your mom and these multiple personalities has been out for a while. And I just got that one too. I've been starting to read that one, and I'm so excited to read both of your books.
Ooh. But so that one's also available. Um- Mm-hmm ... tell us where we can grab that one as well
[00:07:35] Tiffany Fletcher: Um, that is also available on Amazon and also on Kindle. There's also an audio version of that. And, um, that one was published through Covenant Communications, so you can... If you have the Desert Bookshop... Bookshelf app, you can also listen to it or read it for free.
So that's what I tell everyone. I'm like, "Just go... If you have that app, just, you can listen to it or read it for free on the Desert Bookshelf app." Okay. Otherwise, Amazon. Yeah, on the author page it'll have the, the different books there. And that one is called Mother Had a Secret: Learning to Love My Mother- Yeah
and Her Multiple Personalities. And then the new one is Clothed in His Light, and it, um, the subtitle is Putting on Christ to Prepare for His Coming. 'Cause I really feel like we need to learn how to push back the darkness in our lives, and prepare the world for... and our homes for the Savior's second coming.
Beautiful. So, in that, in that book it, it talks about, um, it talks about the adversary, and it talks about his tactics. It talks about how we can overcome him, how we can literally and figuratively cast him out of our lives, and step into the light that Christ has for us. So I'm excited. I'm excited for people to read it, and I'm excited to see what God does with it.
[00:08:39] Haley Freeman: And those are such important tools to have, where we do have that power in the name of Jesus Christ to literally cast out Satan and his minions, you know? He- Yes ... we're, we do, and we can. Yes, we can. And you can feel that difference when you do that, and I think those are tools- Yeah ... that are so important to have this, these days.
[00:08:59] Tiffany Fletcher: Yeah. I love that you brought that up, Haley, because I think that sometimes we... I mean, we, we all love Jesus, and we talk about God, and we talk about Jesus, but we don't talk about our enemy. And we can't- Mm ... fight someone that we don't talk about or that we don't know about. Absolutely. And I'm not talking about making him our, like, center focus.
It's like, no. I- We need to, like, call him out and say, "Hey, I know that you're there, and I'm casting you out of my life, and, and you are no longer there." I love when President Nelson said, um, "Cast Satan's influence out of your life. Cast Satan's influence out of your marriage." Like, multiple times he said that.
And so, yeah, this book is... I've, I've made it biblically based, um, 'cause I want it to be, um... I felt very strongly that it, it is a call to all Christians, not just Latter-day Saints. To all Christians everywhere to unite and to push back the darkness, and to clothe ourselves with Christ, because He is central to everything that we do.
And so, yeah, I use the Bible to show, here are episodes where Christ cast devils out, Christ cast Satan out of his life and of the people around him, and that we need to do the same. So yeah. Okay. It's, it might be controversial, but it's, it's so important-
[00:10:13] Haley Freeman: No ... that we talk about it. It's truth.
It's truth. I mean, I'm- It's the truth ... I'm past the point of trying to live politically correct. It's the truth, and I will stand up for it.
[00:10:21] Misty Smith: I love it.
[00:10:21] Haley Freeman: And, um, I had an experience- When, and it's in my book, and I've spoke about it just recently on a pretty large podcast. It's called Prioritize Your Life.
And it's what happened to me. I had an actual battle with a demon that attacked my body, and it's truth, and it is real. It is real. If God is real, Satan is real, and we do need to be able to arm ourselves against him, and we need to be able to teach and talk about how to do it. Because these last days, the battle is getting stronger and more intense, and we need to grab sides, what sides we're gonna be on, and we need to fight and know how.
[00:10:59] Misty Smith: Amen to that. I'm curious, Tiffany, I see that you have miracles you want to share with us. Um, and I don't know if that involves your history, where you want to go with that, your mom, or if that's just something else you wanted to share, but I'm excited to talk to you about your miracle.
[00:11:21] Tiffany Fletcher: Oh, thank you. I, I think my greatest miracle was, um, seeing my mom from a different perspective.
Um, when I was young, growing up with a mom who had multiple personalities, it was very violent. It was, um, it was very hard. I had a lot of strong emotions as a, as a teenage- as a youth and a teenager. I, a lot of anger, a lot of frustration, a lot of, um, hard feelings towards my mom. And, um, I remember my sister, she was on a mission for the LDS Church, and she, she sent me a lighthouse.
And she said, "Tiffany, even though our childhood was hard, we can still be a light for other people." And so since that day, I've really, really loved lighthouses and light, and I've been a, like I said, a, a keeper of the light, a seeker of the light, all of the things. But, um, she inspired me to go on a mission for my church.
And when I went, I served in Independence, Missouri, in the visitor center there. The Independence Visitor Center, Liberty Jail, all of those, Adam-ondi-Ahman, Hawn's Mill, Far West, all those were in my mission, and I loved it. Um, but my mission president at the time, I wasn't getting any, um, letters from home.
And back then you didn't get to call every week. It was like a really, you got to talk twice, you know, on Mother's Day and Christmas, and that was it. And so I had been three months into my mission, and I still hadn't got a letter from home. Wow. And I was really, really worried about it, um, 'cause I'm the second oldest of six kids.
Um, as I mentioned, my mom had a violent alter, um- And I was worried for my brothers and sisters. Right. And I, and I also, like, my mom had a prescription, addiction to prescribed medication. Mm. Because she had a violent alter that always threatened that he was going to take all of her pills and kill her.
So, um, it was really scary, and I just needed to know that everything was okay. So I went to my mission president and, um, he said, "Oh, you just need to forget yourself and go to work." And I was like, "I just need to make sure that my mom's okay." And he said, "Well, is your mom sick?" And I said, "Well, kind
[00:13:23] Haley Freeman: of." Um,
[00:13:25] Tiffany Fletcher: it was really the first time I had told anyone about my, um, mom.
Um, my sister told it once to, to an adult, and they told her she was making it up for attention. Oh. So we, we just didn't talk about it. Oh. I mean, back then, mental illness, it really wasn't talked about, right? It, and it just seemed- Right ... it seemed so over the top that I think people just didn't understand.
Yeah. And so I don't, like, I don't feel, I, like, it is sad that that happened. Um, but it was kind of a, at back then, we didn't tell people because of it because we were just, you know, so worried that it was, people were just not gonna believe us. So I told my-
[00:14:04] Misty Smith: Well, really, really quick, um, so I'm not very knowledgeable in an altered life, like personalities.
Can you kind of explain to anyone that might be listening that might be kind of confused about exactly what it is, how someone might go through? Like, I'm assuming it's individual to everyone w- like that- Mm ... that goes through these things. I don't know. I just wanna understand it.
[00:14:29] Tiffany Fletcher: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for asking.
So, um, my mom was diagnosed with multiple personalities- Yeah ... in the late '80s, early '90s, but in the earlier '90s, like just after that, they changed it to dissociative identity disorder. And the reason why they changed it is because it's really a trauma-based mental illness. Like, what happens is someone experiences so much severe trauma that they dissociate, and they, um, when you talk to them, they say it's almost as if they are watching someone else, um, hurt them.
So my mom, when I was in college, I was in journalism, and I was told to, like, find someone who had a good story and write a story about it, interview them. And so I interviewed my mom. Um, and when I asked her about it, but so, uh, let me backtrack. So my mom was sexually abused by her father from the time she was three till the time she was 18.
Oh. So, so pretty much- All of the time she would talk about how, when I interviewed her, she would talk about how , she could hear his footsteps down the hallway every night, and she knew he was coming for her. And she said that when he did it, she said it was as if she was outside of her body and she was looking down from the top of the room, watching him do it to someone else.
That's how she explained it. And, the more I study about it, in my graduate work, um, that a lot of people have that dissociation where they feel like they're outside of their body and they're watching it happen to someone else. And so that's, that's what happened. That's why she disassociated.
She has 14 alters because she's had at least that many times of trauma. Um, there are, she had at least seven, she was raped at least seven times by seven different men. Oh. And so her life has really been, um, like she went through a lot. She went through a lot. And, um, and here's the interesting thing.
So anyway, when she disassociates, an alter is created. So, like that three-year-old little boy was, that was the first time she was raped or molested, was when she was three. And so the other alters, they came, and I'm not sure, I know that one disassociated, um, on my, on her wedding night because it was such a traumatic experience because before that, sex was such a violent thing for her.
Like, it was hard for her to even relate to it. Um- Wow ... I know that she has another one. She had an alter that, her main job, and a lot of the time these alters have their own, like they have their job, the thing that they are focused on. So she had one who would, um, come out when she needed to take care of us as children.
Like, she would stroke our hair when we were sick, and like that was the one that I really felt love towards. Um, I mean, I felt love towards my mom, but it's very hard, um, it was a very interesting experience because, um, she was always a different person, right? Like, sometimes she was violent, like when Bill came out, there was evil behind her eyes.
Like, it was real evil behind her eyes, and she was stronger than she was before. When she was the scared little boy, she would be, um, rocking back and forth in the corner, just like almost not able to really talk, not really able to do anything. Like, I helped her go to the bathroom. I helped her get dressed when she was in that three-year-old state.
Um- Wow ... and so, so yeah. It, it's, it's, um, it's just different really individual- people almost that, that you related to. And, and most of them didn't know that the other one existed. She would lose track of time. Um, she would... I would ask her if I could borrow the car. She would say yes. I would borrow it and come back, and she would ground me 'cause she would be a different alter.
And she would say- Wow ... "I didn't, I didn't tell you you could take the car." And so it was... So if you can imagine, like, we didn't get, um, she didn't get her diagnosis till I was 17. So growing up, it was just like a whole life of contradictions and, and abuse and hardship.
[00:18:24] Misty Smith: how was Bill, like, Bill, Bill seems to be a very impactful person in your life that is not a positive person. And so when did he come out? Like, what, what's the story behind him? So I will tell you the story of Bill. Again, it, um, so it may be controversial for some, but I'll share my experience, and then people can decide for themselves.
But I can tell you what I feel. Bill, when my, when he came out, there was evil behind my mom's eyes. Like, it was full on evil, and she was, um, very strong. Like, stronger than her normal body strength. And, um, so I'm just giving that as a preface. So when my sister came to my mom and said that she wanted to go on a mission, Bill came out, my mom's alter Bill came out, um, took a butcher knife from the butcher block in the kitchen, and just came at my sister, um, saying, like, "You are not going to leave me.
You are not going to leave me." And then I got in the way, you know, like protecting her, and then she started coming after me with the butcher knife. And so we wrestled my mom to the ground with the butcher knife and got the butcher knife out of her hand, and then we tied her to our rocking chair with- Wow
with, um, we tied her arms and her legs to the rocking chair, like an old wooden rocking chair that we had, um- Oh my gosh ... with dish towels. We tied her with dish towels. And it was the day before Thanksgiving. Oh. And so my dad, um, he was off of work early. So he came home, and he saw that we had my mom tied up in the rocking chair.
No. And he's like, "What is going on?" Yeah. And we're like, "Dad, it's Bill, and he's threatening. Like, he took a butcher knife, he's threatening." And my dad, um, came to my mom and said, "I wanna talk to my wife." And Bill said, "No, she's not coming out. You are not talking to her." And he, like, you know, was swearing and just all kinds of, threats and things like that, wanted out.
My dad said, "I want to talk to my wife. I wanna talk to Vicki." And he's like, "You are not talking to her." And, and my dad said, "If you want me to let you go, I want to talk to my wife." That's- So my mom's body went limp- Wow ... and then she came to again, and it was my mom. And my dad said, "Vicki, you have to fight this."
And she said, "I can't. I'm tired, and I don't wanna fight anymore." And then my mom's body went limp again, and Bill came up. And my dad said, "I want to talk to Vicki." And he said, "She's gone, and she's not coming back." And my dad said, "Do you wanna make a bet?" So he went into his office, uh, he went into his room, and he got his consecrated oil.
And he came out, and he put the oil on her head, and he cast Bill out by name, in the name of Jesus Christ. And as he did, my mom's body went limp, and she came to after the, um, blessing. She came to, and it was another one of my mom's alters. That alter said that she could see Bill, but he was behind bars, and he could no longer hurt anyone, and that he wasn't able to get in anymore.
Wow. So my personal... And, and I, I actually write about this experience in my book. Um, but I, in my Mother Had a Secret book, but since then I have learned so much about devils and evil spirits. Yeah. Like, I did, things that I didn't know then, that I know now, right? And I really believe, and I wanna be very clear about this.
I do not feel that mental illness is the devil. I do not feel- Right ... I know that there are triggers and there are things that happen. Mental illness is something that we have, just like our mind, just like our body breaks, our mind also breaks, and we have broken minds, and that is a very real thing.
However, I also believe that Satan knows what our weaknesses are, and he will prey on them, and he will use them to magnify those weaknesses. Right. So I believe that while my mom did have dissociative identity disorder because of the trauma that she had, I also believe that when she is in a weakened state and she felt as if her body was out looking at someone else getting hurt, that that leaves her body open for these, Satan's followers to come.
Because in the Bible, if they want to even just go into a pig because a body's so important to them, if they're going to go into a body whose spirit has lifted out because of so much trauma, they are going to start inhabiting that body, right? Yeah. Like, and so- Uh- ... I absolutely 100% believe that Bill was not an alter, but a evil spirit that had inhabited my mom's body because it was so weak from the trauma that she had experienced.
And because of that, when she was blessed and the consecrated oil was put on her head and blessed, and he was cast out by name, in the name of Jesus Christ, that was the authority to cause him to leave, and that he somehow, to her it looked like bars, but that meant he could no longer come into that body and could no longer inhabit it.
Because consecrated oil is for the sick and the afflicted. That doesn't mean the sick and the sick. It means the sick and those afflicted by devils. Like, it's so important that we understand that. And so because of that, um, I feel like that's what Bill was, that he wasn't necessarily an alter, but he was, um, a evil spirit who was inhabiting her body because of the weakened state that she was in.
When you first brought up Bill, that was actually what came into my mind. Mm-hmm. And that, when I said that I had an encounter with- a demon? That is exactly what happened to me when I was so sick from anorexia. My body was so weak, and my mental state was so weak, and that's what happened. I was attacked.
Yeah. Yeah. And so, and I, I just think that people need to understand that because I think a lot of times, I think that it is labeled as mental illness in some cases when it's not. And, like, when you think about the Son, and, and it's between you and the Lord, right? You pray about it. Right. You ask God, like, "God," like, "is this something that I need to, really think about and study?"
And if, like, if you want to understand in the Bible, like, really going to the Bible to hear about it, like the boy, the father who came and brought his son to, to Christ, right? And his son, he said, "My son has been afflicted by devils since he was young," which means that even children can be afflicted by devils.
Like, some people don't believe that, but in the Bible it says that they can be, so that's important for us to understand. And he talked about how he thrashed around in the fire, how, how he was- Yeah ... falling all over. Like, he was just crazy, right? People thought he was crazy, but he was afflicted by a devil.
And because of that, um, he came to the disciples, and the disciples couldn't cast him out. And they're like, he's like, "Your disciples have tried. They can't cast him out. Can you do it, Lord?" And that's when, when Jesus said, "Do, do you believe?" And he said, "Yea, Lord, I believe. Help my unbelief." And so Christ then was able to cast him out, because it's by faith that we can cast them out.
We have to first believe that they are there and that Christ has glory over them so that we can cast them out. And then, um, He was able to cast them out, and then He went, and the disciples, when they were alone, said, "Well, how come we couldn't cast him out?" And that is when the, Jesus said, "Oh, ye of little faith.
If you had the faith of a mustard seed, you could have, you could say to this mountain, 'Remove hence,'" right? Like, we always talk about that story of the faith of a mustard seed. He was literally talking about casting out demons when He was talking about that story, but we don't connect it because we don't realize it.
And so He said- But then he said, "howbeit? This one only comes out through prayer and fasting." And so sometimes if we cast out and we still feel so much, like, negative energy going on, we need to ask Heavenly Father, "How long do I need to fast so that we can cast this devil out and he can be gone?" And, and it's so important.
Like, President Kimball said, "When Satan is bound in one home, when Satan is bound in one heart, the millennium begins in that home and in that heart." Wow. And so it's so important that we bind him, too, right? We need to bind Satan. Like, so when we cast him out, we can say, "Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, please cast him out and bind him- Yeah
so that he cannot return. And clear the way. Like, like, increase our light. Send angels so that they cannot come." Like, um, Elder Packer wrote this beautiful talk, um, called Inspiring Music, Worthy Thoughts, um, in the '70s, and he said, "Where virtue by choice will not associate with filth, evil cannot tolerate the presence of light."
And so the more we increase in light, the less Satan has pull on us, and they just don't feel comfortable in our presence because we are filled with light. And I really do think that that's why people seeing around the throne of God, because he has so much light, Satan doesn't even feel comfortable in his presence.
And- Right ... and that is why we, um, especially as members of, of the church that have this priesthood power that can cast Satan's influence out through consecrated oil and through authority and bind him forever so that, like, those devils can be bound forever so that they do not return. And, and that is, I feel, so important.
And even though... Like, the book that I wrote, um, Clothed in the Armor of Light, it's for a Christian audience, so I don't talk about consecrated oil. But I do talk about chapter seven, I think, as vanquishing the enemy, and I share all the biblical stories of how Christ cast out demons and why. And, and it's so important, like, even the language that we can use to cast Satan's influence out of our lives.
Because if we learn that simple truth, he no longer has a pull on us or our children or the people around us. So in my family, we pray every day to cast Satan's influence out of our lives and to bind him. Me too. Me too. And for angels- And I've been doing it for years. Yeah. And it works. It works.
It does. And- And for God's angels to come and strengthen us. And invite- It works ... and fill it with light. Yep. Yep. Every time I do this. Wow. And, um- That's cool ... and I, I love that you said sometimes we will get the instruction to, that we need to fast and pray, and you just told my story because that is what happened to me when I was 16 and I kept getting attacked.
Um, my sister, who had passed away, um, came to me and said, "You need to tell Dad that this, demon is powerful, and you guys need to fast and pray to get him out. And so that's what we did, and that was exactly what happened in the scripture that you just said. Like, and, and yeah, so you're just telling my story.
It gives me goosebumps. True. It's so cool. That is neat. True. It's so cool. It's absolutely true, and I feel like the more we recognize it, Well, first of all, Satan's not gonna be happy when we recognize it. But when we start actually implementing it, he has no power over us. He has no power over us.
Yep. And that's what's so important for us to understand, like, he is small compared to our God. And if- Yeah, like he can bruise our heel, but we can crush his head. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so that's what this book is about, really. It's about learning Satan's tactics, and learning how to overcome them from a Christian perspective.
And my next one is gonna be specifically for an LDS audience, and it's gonna be called Clothed in His Glory, and that is gonna be talking about the power of the priesthood and the light that comes from that, and how we can use that to fight the darkness in these days and, and bless the lives of the people around us.
So- Yeah ... I'm excited. God is good, and I'm excited for what He has for me. All right. We all just need to keep locking arms and fighting, and- ... we can do this. We can overcome all these things. You know? It's true. Oh, I love that so much. Tiffany, you're a warrior, so. We all are, aren't we? Yeah. We are His mighty warriors.
Like that Saturday Warriors, like, we really are- We are ... the warriors of the last days, and, and we're not going to stand up for it. We are going to, like, stand against darkness and win, because that is what God needs for His Savior to come again. So suit up and let's get ready. Love it. That's right. Let's do it.
So there's this scripture that's called, um, that Paul talks about clothing yourself in the armor of light. Uh-huh. And so that's really what we need to do, is clothe ourselves in that armor of light, because that is what's gonna help us fight Satan and win in these last days.
Yep. Yep. I know, right? Absolutely.
[00:30:43] Tiffany Fletcher: So, um, so I, and when I went to my mission president, and I told him all of those things.
And I told him about, I told him about the butcher knife and the strangling, and I told him about, um, just all the things growing up. And I, and I also told him about the sexual abuse that my mom, um, suffered. And, and he asked me if I had been sexually abused, and I told him no. And, um, 'cause that is one thing that my mom did not do.
Uh, she did not sexually abuse me or anyone. Um, and so he was, like, it... He stopped silent. And I thought, "Oh, great. He's, like, just thinking about how mixed up and crazy my childhood is," right? Like, 'cause when you tell someone that crazy stuff, um- Yeah ... it's, you question what they're gonna say next, right? Yeah, yeah.
And so I remember him sitting, I remember him sitting back. He leaned back, and he wa- was going like this. And I can remember him, like, looking up. And I know that he was praying. I know he was praying because the words that came out of his mouth after was... He, he had to have had the spirit to say it. And he said, "Well, it sounds to me like your mother was your savior."
And I, I was shocked. I could not even understand how he could put my mother and savior in the same sentence because at the time, I didn't, I wasn't thinking about her pain. I was only thinking about my own, right? I was thinking about all the pain that she had caused me, my brothers and sisters, my dad. I was thinking about how hard it was.
And, like, I had helped raise my brothers and sisters and, and raise her essentially because my dad was gone a lot. And so, um, because my mom was addicted to prescribed medication, my dad was working as a mechanic, working three to four jobs sometimes, so he was just never home. Wow. And as the second oldest of six, my oldest sister was, um, she was homebound, what they call homebound, because my mom had her on medication, and she was siphoning medication off of my older sister.
So- Wow ... she was sick in her, in her room a lot of the time. So I was kinda, I was, like, the one that was, like, trying to, like, just take care of things, you know? And so, um, anyway, back to my mission president. I when he said that, I just, I didn't even know what to think. And I just said How so?
Like, that's all I could think to say. And he said, "Well, someone who usually, um, is sexually abused as much as your mother generally perpetuates the cycle." And he said, "She didn't." He said, "She stopped it." And he said, "She built a bridge for you." And he said, "I, I know your childhood memories were hard," he said, "but compared to your mother, like, they were easier.
And your childhood's, your children's childhood will be better than... Your childhood was better than your mother's, and your children's childhood will be better than yours, and the cycle will heal." Wow. And that was my miracle. That change- Wow ... of perspective changed everything for me. And I, I created a video about it because I feel like it's such a valuable thing, like, the stories that we tell ourself.
Like, no longer did I see myself as an abused victim of a mother who hated me, you know, and someone who hated my mother. But I saw myself as the daughter of a mother who loved me so much that even in her brokenness, she did all that she could to build a bridge for me so my life was better than hers.
And now I have five children and one grandchild, and they're, they don't know abuse. The cycle has healed, and it's beautiful. And it's, um, the most incredible gift that my mission president gave me and that God gave me in those words.
[00:34:14] Haley Freeman: The video you created was beautiful. I've seen it, and I'll put the link to it in our show notes.
[00:34:20] Tiffany Fletcher: Thank you.
[00:34:21] Haley Freeman: Mm-hmm.
[00:34:22] Tiffany Fletcher: Yeah.
[00:34:22] Haley Freeman: How about your other siblings? Have they been able to heal as much as you have, or...?
[00:34:29] Tiffany Fletcher: Some of them have. Some of them have. I think we each have our own journey, right? Right. Like, some of them, um, my older sister, she's still very sick. I mean, she's, she's been sick most of her life. And so she- Mm
she struggles with health, but she's still... You know, she's got good kids and a good husband who helps to take care of her. My, younger sister just under me, she is amazing and she went from, she got married at 17 and didn't have a diploma.
And then she has moved to... She, not only does she, did she get her GED, but she got her, her bachelor's degree and her master's degree, and now she works, like, as a- Wow ... in human resources for a, a big, you know, area. And- Love that ... and so she's doing great. My brothers, I have one brother who is a lawyer and another brother- Wow
who works, um, high up in, in managing stores. So they all have their... I mean, they all have good things that have come out of, but they also have, we all have scars, right?
[00:35:23] Misty Smith: Of course.
[00:35:24] Tiffany Fletcher: We all have
[00:35:24] Misty Smith: scars. Of course. So out of... I'm, I'm sure you have your days, right, your moments that you're like, "No, that really stunk.
Like, that's not fair." But looking back at your trials and now that you've lived a good chunk of life watching your kids versus your- growing up. How, how have you seen, I, I hate saying the gratitude in what you went through, but sometimes, sometimes that's how we see trials, right? After we've, we've healed is we see the gratefulness in the hardness of it.
Can you share with us maybe some of those things that maybe you've seen that maybe your kids don't get to experience, but that's not a bad thing for them, but for you, you've grown because of them?
[00:36:13] Tiffany Fletcher: Yeah. I think that we all have to see the good things in, like, you know, the whole Pollyanna, like I've been called Pollyanna my whole life because I think that we do need- Yeah
to see the gratitude and be grateful for the things, the hard things. I think that that is how we heal from them. Mm-hmm. I think that if we, um, don't, um, have gratitude and see the good and see the lessons in them, I think that they continue to haunt us. I, I think for my mother, like I'm, there's still layers, you know?
There's still layers that come. I, I actually just turned 50 this month, and- You look so
[00:36:47] Haley Freeman: young ... um, Oh, God.
[00:36:49] Tiffany Fletcher: Thank you. I
[00:36:50] Haley Freeman: was
[00:36:51] Tiffany Fletcher: gonna say, get-
[00:36:52] Haley Freeman: Thank you ... you look way too young.
[00:36:54] Tiffany Fletcher: Well, thank you. I, it's, it was hard for me though. It was hard because my mom died of a prescription drug overdose at 49. And so I, when I was the age my mom was, um, that she died, I, I was in the temple, and I, um, I felt my mom come to me and while I was in the temple, and she, I had felt a lot of sadness moving up to that day, just a lot of sadness, you know?
I, I was thinking about, "What would I do if, if it was me?" You know? I would, there's so much more to live and so much more to, to do in my life. And, and, um, I had felt so sad, so much sadness. And, and I felt her spirit there, and I just felt her say that it was her sadness that I had been feeling because she had regret.
And she said, um, just in my mind the words came, um, "I didn't realize that there was still joy to be had on the other side of my pain." And I feel like sometimes when we don't see the hope and when we don't find the good in things, we forget that there's still joy to be had on the other side of our pain, and that's what stops us from living.
And so as I move forward, I feel like as I become a therapist and, you know, in my practice, I feel like that's what I wanna do. I wanna help people understand that there's still joy to be found on the other side of their pain, and I feel like that hope is what we have to hold onto. I think that is what my childhood did more than anything for me, is it gave me- hope to hold onto.
It reminded me that hope is what we have to hold onto to get through hard things, for example, like, and I share this a lot, but I think that it's really important to understand, and that's why light is so important, 'cause it brings hope, right?
Because, if you imagine yourself that you are, like, this weary traveler in the ocean, and your ship is about ready to sink, and you just feel like, you know, the storm is coming, and you're about ready to drown. Like, the moment that you see the lighthouse on the shore, it brings you hope.
Like, you can still be in that storm, and you can still have the torrents of rain, but seeing that light gives you hope knowing that you're not that far from the shore, and that there is safety to be found there. And so hope doesn't come when we're on the shoreline. It comes the moment we see the light.
Because then we can keep paddling. We can keep going. We can keep moving until we get there. And I think that that's what light does for us. Because in these last days, we are going to be surrounded by storms, and we are gonna be surrounded by darkness. And we have got to learn how to keep our focus on the light, and that light is the Savior, right?
And the things that we do to get to Him, like our scripture study, our prayer, our taking the sacrament, our attending the temple. All of those things fill us up with light and give us the things that we need so that in these last days we can have the hope that we need to make it through the darkness.
And then when we are on the shoreline, we can start being that light for others as well. Mm. And I think that that's really the most important, is that once we- Mm ... focus on the light, we can bring other people with us too. Ooh,
[00:40:05] Haley Freeman: I love that. I love that. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:40:08] Misty Smith: So, uh, with what you were saying, I, I work around a lot of teens.
My kids are teens. They bring teens home. We have neighbors that are teens, nieces and nephews. And sometimes I see them struggling on their ship. I see them. And sometimes I'm like, "Look, there's the light. There's the hope." But their backs are turned against it, because they've just given it up. How do you help someone in that position?
What would you tell them? As someone that's lived such a hard childhood and growing up and helping raise your family, what would you tell someone that is struggling turning their back because they just don't know how, or turning forward from facing backwards?
[00:41:02] Tiffany Fletcher: Yeah. I think that's really hard. I think that, uh, today, in today's world, there are so many people that are just surrounded by it, and it's hard for them to see.
I think the first thing that I would do is I would pray for them. I would pray specifically that God would cast Satan's influence out of their lives, that God would place a sphere of light around them that would protect them from the fiery darts of the adversary, and that he would use my shield of faith to protect them until they have faith
to stand on their own. And, and so I would do that. Prayer is the very first thing that I would do. I love, I love... If you look in the Bible dictionary, it talks about prayer, and it says that prayer, um, and I'm gonna butcher it. I'm, but I'm just gonna say in my mind how I remember it. But basically, prayer is, um, blessings require work, and prayer is the work that, that is been consecrated for us to receive the blessings for ourselves and others that God is willing to grant but is made conditional upon us asking for it.
Wow. So I would for sure pray for them, that they can ask for those blessings, and I would ask to cast Satan's influence out and to send angels. I really believe that's why God tells us to pray for our enemies even is because the likelihood is they probably aren't praying for themselves, and God can't...
He has to be invited in. His... Like, Satan's, Satan's plan is a plan of force. He's gonna force us in. God won't. God needs to be invited. So whether we invite him in, or whether they invite them in, He needs to be invited. And so we can pray on our friend's behalf. That's what Job did. And, like, how beautiful.
God granted so many beautiful things. That's what the brother of Jared did. He prayed for his- Mm-hmm ... friends, and God granted them miracles. And so that prayer is powerful. And so that's the first thing that I would do. And when it comes to those kids, I would invite them into my home. I would flow love to them as much as I can.
I would help them feel the Savior's love through me and be that connection. Because we are told that, "In as much as ye have done it unto the least of these, ye have done it unto me." And here's the beauty of that statement. It goes the other way. Because in as much as they have loved you, they have also loved the Savior.
It goes for them as well. And so you can be that connection between them and the Savior until they are ready to step into that themselves. And yeah, just flow love. Flow love. Um, you could keep music in your home. Like, have good music in your home that is testifying while in the background. That also, that brings light.
Music is powerful. I love music. There's so many prophets that said when they saw God, they saw him surrounded by angels singing and praising God, right? Oh. Even God. I really believe that music raises our level of light. So sing praises. Sing praises- Oh, wow ... with them. Sing praises for them. And that's another thing.
And just remind them that Jesus loves them. Just say, "You know what?" You know what? "I just want you to know that Jesus loves you. You are so valuable to him," and that's all. And just, "I love you, too." And just hold them until you can feel that love coming back, and it will make a difference.
[00:44:10] Misty Smith: Wow. I love that.
Very good.
[00:44:12] Haley Freeman: Thank you
[00:44:12] Misty Smith: for
[00:44:12] Haley Freeman: your insights. I'm sure that's gonna help a lot of people out there- Mm-hmm
[00:44:15] Tiffany Fletcher: I just feel impressed to share something. So my mother-in-law, she really struggled with me. She had a really, really hard time. And I remember, um, she, she had said some really, um, mean things.
And she was coming for Christmas and, uh, she was coming to our house, and I was like, "God, I don't know how I can feel about I don't know how I feel about this, her coming to our house." Yeah. And, and I was like, "Just tell me. Tell me how I can... what I can do, what I can do to just make it so that it's not awkward and uncomfortable here, and so that we have the Spirit."
So my husband went.., My mother-in-law lived in Kaysville at the time, and so he went to Kaysville to pick her up and bring her home. So I had all this time thinking about and praying, like, what I was gonna do when she came. And the Spirit said, "When she walks through that door, I want you to hold her and hug her and tell her that you love her, until her energy changes."
Wow. So, and my mother-in-law, she was from England, so she was... I don't know if all people from England are like this, but I- No ... like, my mother-in-law was, like, very, like, stoic, and she did not like hugs. And so she walked in, and I was like, "Hey, Mom, I'm so glad that you're here. I'm gonna hug you now, okay?" And I just held her.
Like, I just held her, and her arms are, like, straight down, right? Yeah. She was, like, have, not having it. And I was like... I just held her, and I, like, I felt the Spirit with me, and just so lovingly, I said, "I'm so glad that you came today. We love you. We're grateful for you. You are a good grandma. You are a good mom, and we are lucky to have you, and we are gonna have such a wonderful day.
For coming, thank you for- Mm ... for, for being here with us. God loves you. Jesus loves you. We love you." And I just kept pouring, like, love into her and holding her tight. And then I could feel... Like, God told me to hold her until her energy changed. And I could feel, like, I could it was like a feeling. It was like a, a surrender, like, in her heart, and she started hugging me back.
Aw. And she said, "Thank you." And, and then, like... So my mother-in-law, she lived with us. Um, she was on hospice and lived with us until she died, because, um, my husband was the only one that could take care of her. We were the only ones. And, I just poured love into her from that time on.
Like, just, just loved her and told her what I loved about her and encouraged her and been, like, all of the things. And then, like, the last thing that she said to me, she was on her, um, on her deathbed literally. Mm-hmm. And she's like, she's like, "Tiffany, I was so cruel to you. I was so cruel to you," and she's like, "I don't think Jesus wants me because I was so cruel."
And I said, "Mom, do you believe that Jesus' atonement is for everyone?" And she's like, "Yes." And I said, "It's for you, too. It's for you, too." And I was like, "We love you, and we're grateful that you're here. And if you're worried that Jesus doesn't want you because of what you've done, I'm gonna leave the room and let you pray."
"And repent, and then we'll come back in, and then we can have a discussion. But, but no. You are, you are loved, and Jesus loves you." And, and, and I said, "You've had a hard life, and it's okay. It's okay." And, um, so that night, um, the very last words she said to me are, "Tiffany, you're the most Christ-like person that I've ever met.
Thank you for loving me." I mean, that's what people need, right? They just need us to love them a- and just not judge them and, and let... Be okay that sometimes they hurt us, and forgive anyway, and, and give love back, even, like, at a greater measure. Um, because that is how... Like, charity never faileth. Yep. And charity, love is charity, and it never fails.
So if that's all that you do for your children that are struggling or people that you struggle to forgive, charity never faileth, and it is true principle if we actually apply it in our lives.
[00:48:15] Misty Smith: Great.
[00:48:15] Haley Freeman: Yes, absolutely. Amen, yeah.
[00:48:18] Misty Smith: I love that.
[00:48:19] Haley Freeman: Yeah. Thank you.
Wow. Beautiful.
[00:48:23] Misty Smith: Yeah.
I, I just want to say, Tiffany, like, I... The thought that came through my mind was you are very wise. And I, I truly do believe you have such wisdom because of the things you've gone through.
[00:48:40] Haley Freeman: Mm-hmm.
[00:48:41] Misty Smith: And because of the things you've gone through, you're now gonna be able to pass that knowledge on to those that are hurting and that need to recover.
And I don't know, I, I don't know how else to say this, so I'm gonna try. But if I need a therapist, I would love to go to a therapist that could communicate with me because I knew they had trials, and hard trials that they could, um, that I knew that they had true empathy-
[00:49:12] Haley Freeman: Mm-hmm ...
[00:49:13] Misty Smith: for me and that they would love me.
So, I could see that. I would... And I honestly thought about that as we were sitting here. I was like, wow, I- It makes sense. And, and I know that might sound a little bit hard sometimes for someone that might be like, "Dang it. Why me?" You know? "Why are these things happening to me? Why did they happen to me?"
But it's really cool for us to see the far side of it, to see the distance that you've grown in all your story, and to be able to see why. It's because of the woman that you've become. So I just, I just wanna say, like, I could feel it, so thanks for going to the fields you're going through, and all the people that you're gonna touch and help through their struggles.
So I'm excited for you and your future and everyone. Just thoughts. That is
[00:50:08] Tiffany Fletcher: so kind. It's interesting. I never thought that this would be a field that I would go into. Like, I really... I, I struggled so much with mental health, um, and people who had mental challenges because, you know, early on in my, um... When I wrote my book, I wrote it 15 years ago, and I would go and I would do firesides,
And people would come up and they would tell me about all their mental illnesses and stuff, and I'd be like, "Oh, man." Like, it was- ... uh, 'cause, 'cause mental illness was scary for me, and it was painful, right? And it was, it was, I hadn't healed fully from it. Um, but so when God asked me to step into this, it's funny.
I never thought that I would. I never in a million years thought that this is where God would send me, but, my kids started growing up and leaving home, and I have all this time. And then, you know, my mom, I was 49, the same age my mom was when she died, and I was like, "I am not going to end." Like, I still have so much life to live, right?
Yes. And so my husband's like, "If you could go back to school to do anything, what would you want to be?" And I was like, "Well, when I was the Relief Society president, I really loved counseling women. It was my favorite part." And I was like, "Maybe, maybe that." And he's like, "Well, look up some programs." And I was like- Yeah
"Okay. All right." And his support and love, and my kids' support and love, and I was like, "Okay, God. This is it. This is what I'm going to do." But I really do feel that part of it is He wants me to help prepare minds for the second coming of the Savior. Yeah. Because we need to let go of our pain and suffering so the Savior can heal us.
We need that so that we can have the light to, to rise up and meet Him when He comes. And so I feel like it is a, a divine charge from God saying, "Okay. Okay. You've got the experience. Now go out there and use it." And it's... Yeah, I'm excited to see what comes of it.
[00:51:54] Haley Freeman: Me too. Me too. You're amazing.
Yeah. I hope He comes soon. I'm ready. I'm done. I'm, I'm done. Oh. I'm ready. All right. Let's, let's, let's... Come, come. Come on. Bring it. True. I'm afraid it's gonna get a lot worse- Yeah ... before He comes, but-
[00:52:13] Tiffany Fletcher: That's why President Nelson said we need joy, right? Like, he said, like, even before he was prophet, I think that was a talk he gave before he was a prophet, he's like, "What do we need in these last days?
We need joy." We need joy. And, and really, like, finding those things that bring joy in our lives, that is gonna help us get through the hard things. And being able to see the light even in the darkness, like, we don't have to... It doesn't have to be a, a scary thing, and it doesn't have to be painful, and it doesn't have to be...
We don't have to suffer. Yeah.
[00:52:42] Misty Smith: Like,
[00:52:43] Tiffany Fletcher: we can find joy even in the suffering and the hard, and it can be a delight. I really believe that. I, I feel like it's all dependent on our mindset and how we-
[00:52:55] Haley Freeman: Yep ...
[00:52:55] Tiffany Fletcher: choose to look at it, right?
[00:52:57] Haley Freeman: Yep. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. Amazing. So do you have one final takeaway? I feel like everything you've said could be- It was so good
a treasured takeaway. Oh. But if you want just someone to take one thing, if they can only take one thing, what would it be?
[00:53:15] Tiffany Fletcher: That Jesus loves you. Like, He loves you so much that He gave up everything for you. My, my daughter this morning, she went to seminary, and she said, um, "Sacrifice," they talked about sacrifice. And the, the teacher said, "What does sacrifice mean to you?" And she said, "Sacrifice means giving up the things of the world because the world was given to us by Jesus," or because Jesus gave us the world.
Mm. Something like that. I was like, "Wow, here's one of your teachers like, 'I'm quoting you.'" I'm like, "Oh." "That's awesome." It was so cute. But, I mean, it really is. It's being willing to walk the walk and sacrifice for Him. Like, live our lives for Him because He died for us. And in doing that, in, in giving our lives to Him and dedicating everything that we have left, like, we can really, face Him with courage.
And, and we can at the end of our days look up to Him and say, "I did all I could to be Your hands on the earth, and I hope that I brought some sense of glory to You. But thank you so much for glorifying me." And I think that's just what it's all about. Just keep your focus on Him. Absolutely. He is the light.
He is the way.
[00:54:34] Misty Smith: Yep.
[00:54:35] Haley Freeman: Absolutely. Thank you so much, Tiffany. We appreciate you being here. And, and also, one other thing, you are starting a podcast soon. Ah. Right?
[00:54:46] Tiffany Fletcher: Yes. I am hoping. I might need some- You need one more thing to do ... of your advice, like some help. I know. I start my internship next week as a therapist, so I'm like, "God, okay.
Okay, I can maybe do this." But, but the podcast that I... The- And I've got 26 recordings, so here you go. There you go. I've already recorded some, but- Oh ... I've just gotta figure out the whole logistics. But basically, I, I feel very strongly that God is calling me to do a, a daily podcast of just five minutes or less- Nice
Helping especially women and mothers, um, bring light into their lives. Like, one scripture that they can have each day, and one course of action to be like, "Okay, here's a scripture. Here's how it relates. Here's how you can act on it, and you can make it work for you." And, and, like, give them an action to bring light into their home.
And- Love
[00:55:33] Haley Freeman: that ... I
[00:55:33] Tiffany Fletcher: just feel like that's what it
[00:55:34] Haley Freeman: needs to
[00:55:35] Tiffany Fletcher: be. It's so
[00:55:36] Haley Freeman: important that we're doing the little things every day. Mm-hmm. Every single day. Mm-hmm. Something to bring the Spirit. Like, yeah, a little podcast here and there, a little scripture here and there, just every day to strengthen us and to bring that shield of the light and the Spirit.
So I love it. So what is it called? It's
[00:55:52] Tiffany Fletcher: called Latter-Day Light Keepers.
[00:55:54] Haley Freeman: Mm. I like that. Love it. Awesome. So everyone, keep your eyes
[00:56:00] Tiffany Fletcher: open. Mm. Yeah, I just... I gotta figure out the editing. That's the hardest part, guys. I don't know how you do it, so I might- I can't
[00:56:06] Haley Freeman: Haley's the pro.
[00:56:07] Misty Smith: I know nothing about the... I don't
[00:56:09] Tiffany Fletcher: know how- I said, "Heavenly Father, okay, I'll do this, but I..."
Going on, so yeah. But yeah, I'm working on it, and I, I feel like it's, it's just, like, a little pocket of light for, for moms to, to build their homes, to strengthen. It's called, Latter-Day Light Keepers: Strengthening Homes, Anchoring Faith, and Nourishing Light. Mm. And so that's, that's what I want to do.
I- I will be listening to it ... I don't know if
[00:56:34] Misty Smith: you know,
[00:56:35] Tiffany Fletcher: I was a homeschooling mom for two decades. Mm-hmm. And so, like- Wow. That's
[00:56:39] Haley Freeman: important ...
[00:56:39] Tiffany Fletcher: I, I know what, I know what it takes to bring light into your home- Yeah ... and to still, like, do that. And so I just- Yeah ... I wanna give that hope to mothers and, and women and- We need
[00:56:50] Haley Freeman: it
yeah,
[00:56:51] Tiffany Fletcher: so. Yep,
[00:56:51] Haley Freeman: we need it. Thank you so much again, Tiffany. Thank you. It's been such a pleasure, so enlightening. Ugh, thank you so much. Yeah.
[00:57:00] Tiffany Fletcher: Thank you for having me.
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