Episode Twelve: Kathy Truman on Praising God and Unlocking Miracles
In this heartfelt episode, Kathy shares her personal journey of navigating trials and embracing miracles. From enduring multiple pregnancies to raising four children in need, Kathy's stories highlight the power of faith and the importance of recognizing divine moments in our lives. Kathy also discusses principles from her books on inviting miracles, praising God in all things, and understanding the science of frequencies.
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Poem Kathy mentioned in the podcast episode.
Children of Kathy’s loved one whom she raised.
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All of Kathy’s books, including Brain Tunz, and her services can be found on her website at www.kathytruman.com
Transcript
Intro: [00:00:00] Welcome to Latter-day Miracles, where we share true stories of angels and marvels. Get ready to enjoy accounts from everyday people that remind us of divine love, that we're never truly alone, and the power of faith in these latter days. I'm Haley Hatch Freeman. And I'm Misty Smith. Sit back, open your heart and prepare to be inspired.
Misty Smith: Hi, welcome to Latter-day Miracles. Today we have Kathy Truman with us, and I'm so excited to be able to talk about your books and your stories and all of your wisdom you have. We're going to have Haley go ahead and start with a bio, then we'll go ahead and turn over the time to you.
Haley Freeman: Kathy has a full-time practice helping clients with their emotional and spiritual needs.
Including those with varying degrees of abuse and trauma, as well as everyday trials and challenges. She also works with addictions and family [00:01:00] relationship. She enjoys teaching and speaking and has been an international presenter at healing conferences, summits, fireside, and special events. She is the author of several books about healing, relationships and spirituality.
Kathy is the co-founder of Brain Tunes, an innovative program teaching whole brain learning and emotional healing techniques to children through song and fun. I wish we had that when I was mom of little children. It sounds amazing. Um, Kathy teaches a series of classes on energy training, relationships, spiritual principles, self-improvement, and body work and health.
She is currently recording those classes for online courses. She sponsors emotional healing and energy training retreats. Kathy is an avid seeker of light and knowledge and loves to share inspirational messages with thousands of friends around the globe. [00:02:00] Kathy's all time favorite calling is being a mom and grandma, although she wears many hats, the greatest desire of her heart is to be a willing servant.
She has so many accomplishments so we just had to highlight her few of her things for her bio 'cause she is such an accomplished, amazing lady. But we are so excited to have her here to share some of her knowledge and her books are amazing. We have been blessed to be able to read a couple of them before she came and I can't speak highly enough of them.
Now we will go ahead and turn the time over to Kathy.
Kathy Truman: Thank you. As I mentioned, one of my favorite callings was to be a mother, and I just expected that I was gonna have a lot of kids and I was going to be able to be at home with them and teach them and raise them and, and then I started to try to have children.
And that is not always as easy as you might expect it to be. I remember having years of [00:03:00] trying and trying to have children and I'd look at other young mothers and think, why is it so easy for them? Why can a teenager get in the back of a car and get pregnant? And I guess so it was so frustrating.
I actually ended up having eight pregnancies to get three living children.
Misty Smith: Wow.
Kathy Truman: I had a stillborn, daughter. My first living child was two weeks early. The next one was four weeks early and the next one was 14 weeks early.
Misty Smith: Wow.
Kathy Truman: He really is a, a miracle child that we are even able to get him.
In fact, I just kind of little human interest here, but I was life flighted down to the University of Utah Hospital, uh, and I spent three months in labor.
Haley Freeman: Oh
Kathy Truman: yeah. And so. Um, I was there.
Haley Freeman: You got everyone beat.
Kathy Truman: Yeah. And I was this high risk, I was the number one high risk they're trying to get me far enough that I would be able, that the child would survive.
Mm-hmm. And so U of U is a teaching hospital and [00:04:00] so an intern came in and he squeezed my tummy and broke my water. Oh, he was, I mean, all of us were just,
oh, no.
You know, that's like the worst thing that could possibly happen was for him to actually break my water when I was on all these medications trying to keep me from delivering.
Haley Freeman: Right.
Kathy Truman: And so, you know, I very quickly delivered. Didn't even push, he just fell out.
Misty Smith: Oh, wow.
Kathy Truman: But when he came out, they saw that the placenta was tearing away from the wall of my uterus. Which is how my first child was stillborn.
Haley Freeman: Oh. '
Kathy Truman: cause the placenta tore away and they said he wouldn't have made it through the night.
He would've died in utero. And so if he hadn't have come in and popped my water
Haley Freeman: Wow.
Kathy Truman: He was squeezing my uterus for tenderness to see if there was any infection.
Misty Smith: Right.
Kathy Truman: And if that wouldn't have happened. They said that the placenta would've completely been torn away [00:05:00] by the morning, and he would've died.
And I wasn't able to have any more children after that.
Haley Freeman: Oh,
Kathy Truman: well, three kids. That's a good size family.
Haley Freeman: Yes.
Kathy Truman: But it was about half of what I had wanted. I, I wanted more children. I'd wanted a larger family. I was only 32. And they just told me at that time it was impossible for me to have more children.
And I really grieved. I felt like I was being put out to pastures, so to speak, way before my time. And I felt, kind of resentful, like, why is childbearing have to be such a trial for me? Why does it have to be so hard? I love being a mother so much, does God not? Um, approve of me. Am I not cut out to be a mother?
You know, I didn't get to make the decision. This decision was made for me. My body made that decision for me.
Haley Freeman: Hmm.
Kathy Truman: I didn't get to make that decision. In fact, as I delivered this baby 14 weeks early, [00:06:00] and it's this trauma delivery.
Misty Smith: Right.
Kathy Truman: They just said we're gonna tie your tubes right now because it would be dangerous for you to ever get pregnant again, and we're gonna tie your tubes.
And I was just in shock,
Misty Smith: Right.
Kathy Truman: My husband was up in Logan and I was in Salt Lake, so I was all alone there and so my tubes get tied and I just, oh. I just felt abandoned by God. I just felt like I was inadequate, like my body had failed me. Um. Of course my, my youngest son ended up in the NICU for three months down there.
Haley Freeman: Wow.
Kathy Truman: In Salt Lake. I had to come back to Logan 'cause I had two other children. And so those empty arms, you know, when your milk lets down and there's not a baby there,
Haley Freeman: um,
Kathy Truman: and your baby's an hour and a half away and you've got these children here and, and so it was a really difficult time for me.
The interesting thing is, is I went into labor before I started showing [00:07:00] basically,
Haley Freeman: oh,
Kathy Truman: And then I'm home for three months without a baby, and then all of a sudden I go to church and I've got a baby. Everybody just assumed he was adopted. So it was really kind of funny to, you know, all of a sudden show up with this baby.
Like, oh, how did you have a baby? You, did you adopt him? No, he's mine. Well, how did that happen? You never got, got fat. You know, he never, so, um, but anyway, so I had this kind of wound on my heart, you know? I totally enjoyed my three children. Um. You know, raise them as they got to be teenagers. Um, it wasn't quite as joyous with some of the challenges that they had.
And, um, then I'm just gonna say a loved one, um, got into addiction and ended up having three children and then adopting the child of the spouse. So four little children, [00:08:00] and both her and her spouse ended up in addiction and couldn't raise these four children.
And so when my kids were all growing up and they're older, all of a sudden I've got four children. Um, four and under, four children that need a mother.
Misty Smith: Wow. Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: And
I just think, what if I hadn't gone through that period in my life where my arms felt so empty, where I was begging for more children, wanting more children to raise more children in my home and that trial like prepared me for the time when I got to take in four children to raise as my own, and I kept them for about 10 years.
Raise [00:09:00] these
four children. Well, you know, the children. Get a little older, they get harder. That it's a challenge, you know?
Misty Smith: Yes,
Kathy Truman: every moment of motherhood is glorious and peaceful. And I needed some help from the, the biological parents at times, which wasn't always available. There were these feelings of love and joy for these children, but also some feelings of
is this fair? You know, right at my age that I'm having to do this, you know, things like,
Misty Smith: right.
Kathy Truman: And I was, um, really just kind of pondering on that, um, one night and I just had this like, scene open up to me.
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: And I saw this loved one of mine come to me in the premortal realm and say, I will make the sacrifices necessary.
To bring you the rest of your [00:10:00] children,
and it was just an overwhelming feeling of love and appreciation for this loved one and just my whole view just switched on a dime. And the very interesting thing is the next day, that loved one gave up their addiction. Cold, cold Turkey. Cold Turkey.
Misty Smith: Wow.
Kathy Truman: And started making the transition to being able to step in more as a parent and to help more and to kind of move things, um, more in, in a different direction.
That,
Haley Freeman: so did you tell this loved one about your experiences? No. So you don't know what they,
Have it to
Kathy Truman: this
Haley Freeman: day. I have it to this day. Really? Really? 'cause so [00:11:00]
Kathy Truman: Wow. Um,
I knew it wouldn't be seen from the same perspective.
Haley Freeman: Yeah, I understand.
Kathy Truman: And it was so sacred to me.
Haley Freeman: I understand.
Kathy Truman: And precious and I didn't want it to be tainted. Yeah, right.
You know, I was just trying to understand why that day, same day she went cold Turkey. So it was just a miracle. So what
I think is, how much was I holding this loved one in that space of addiction and lower, lower frequency and resentment and injustice and, and, um.
How much was I being holier than thou, you know? Mm-hmm. Or I, I just think when I shifted the energy I was sending out towards her, when I shifted the space, I was holding her in. Mm-hmm. Create the space for this loved one to [00:12:00] be able to make that change.
I
Haley Freeman: get it.
Misty Smith: That's interesting.
Kathy Truman: They always say you don't remember what somebody says, but you remember how the way they make you feel.
Misty Smith: Yes. Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: And I think because of that, I was able to change the way I felt and acted and treated her it just like it created a miracle.
Misty Smith: Wow.
Kathy Truman: There's, you know, sometimes the miracles still leave you with questions.
Haley Freeman: Yeah. Oh,
always.
Yeah.
Kathy Truman: You know, was this really real? I stand all amazed.
Haley Freeman: Yeah.
Kathy Truman: Just how I felt. Yeah. Those children are grown but there's such a close, precious relationship that we, the bonds that we have from the, being able to raise them for so many years has. Really, they really are my kids. You know, my grandkids, they're still my kids.
Misty Smith: Yeah, absolutely.
Kathy Truman: Yeah. [00:13:00] And it just really did feel my heart, it filled up that empty space of I want this big family now when we sit around the table for a family dinner, you know, it is that big family that I'd always yearned for.
Haley Freeman: Yeah bet. mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: You know, but it didn't come
right when I thought it would. Right. When I said, you know, Heavenly Father, I want more kids right now. Heal my body.
Haley Freeman: Yeah.
Kathy Truman: I didn't know that it was gonna be more than a decade before those prayers would get answered. I didn't know that they would be answered
Misty Smith: right.
Kathy Truman: In a totally different way than I would've planned or expected.
You know? It came. It took me a while after that blessing came, it took me a while to put the pieces together because, you know, first it's like, oh, how am I gonna do this? I'm overwhelmed. And then it's like, but this is exactly what I prayed for. This is what I was asking for. This is what I always wanted.
And I'm certainly [00:14:00] not gonna turn it down now.
Misty Smith: Right.
Kathy Truman: Anyway, that's just one example of just a miracle that's happened in my life. There's, I think when we look for miracles in our lives, they just, they come everywhere and sometimes they're dramatic and sometimes they're just those sweet little tiny whisperings.
But I wanna share another dramatic one with you.
Haley Freeman: Okay.
Kathy Truman: My daughter was dating someone who, um. I didn't have a religious experience or a spiritual experience, but was kind of yearning for that. And my sister came into town and said, let's go to, let's go to this secondhand store. Um, I just wanna look around.
And I honestly never went there to shop, but she really wanted to go, okay, we'll go. I'll go then. So I go over to the books. That's what I head for is the books. And I'm walking along and, oh, I see some scriptures there. And I go, oh. Maybe I should get him some scriptures. Maybe that's a good place for him to start this journey [00:15:00] of, you know, maybe I can Easter's coming up.
This would be good. I'll give him these scriptures for Easter. And so I put this book in my cart, and I'm pushing along, and then I see another set of scriptures sitting there. Well, you know what those look like, they're in better shape. You know, I'm gonna get those instead. So I take the scriptures out, I put 'em on the shelf, and I get these new ones, and I put 'em in my cart and I come home and I put it in a drawer in my desk, and I just, don't think anything more about it.
But then Easter comes and I think, oh, Easter's here. I'm gonna get that book out and I'm gonna open the cover and I'm gonna just write my testimony of Christ in the, in this and I'm gonna give this to him on Easter morning. That'll be really meaningful. And so I opened up the scriptures and in the front cover was a picture of my family from 20, 25 years earlier.[00:16:00]
Misty Smith: Wow.
Kathy Truman: That's me right there.
With
my father's testimony.
Misty Smith: Wow.
Kathy Truman: Now this picture is taken in Washington State. I'm in Logan, Utah. Oh. And here, this book with my father's testimony who had just passed away in February, and this was Easter.
Haley Freeman: Wow.
Kathy Truman: He'd only passed away two months, and here his voice came from the grave with his witness of Christ.
And I just burst into tears. I felt my dad's arms around me. I felt the love of the Savior. I just was so, moved by that. So that was just a dramatic miracle.
Misty Smith: Right.
Kathy Truman: I wrote a book called An Invitation for Miracles, and in here I just share lots of miraculous things that have happened to me or happened to some of my clients.
And then at the end of each little experience, I just put an invitation [00:17:00] of four things that you can do to kind of invite miracles into your life. I know they come anyway.
Yeah.
But I still think that what we're in tune with, what we focus on is what we draw into our lives.
Haley Freeman: I love that book. I read that, and each story is beautiful, and I love your invitations.
I read it quickly, but now I wanna go back through and really focus on each invitation and spend really focused time on each one because those invitations are beautiful. And I love your quotes too. Your quotes in there are so powerful. So yeah, I recommend it.
Kathy Truman: Thank you. Thank you.
The thing is, is sometimes we have miraculous things happen and then we just go about our daily life and we kind of forget
Haley Freeman: Yeah.
Kathy Truman: About some of those things that has happened. As I got the idea for this book, I started kind of jotting down, you know, oh yeah, this miracle happened to me. Oh yeah, this one happened, and oh, this happened to someone that I know that's, that I'm really close to.
And it was such an experience of [00:18:00] gratitude for me, writing it to the amount of miracles that I've been able to witness in my life. And, you know, they've kept coming, but I think for, you know, you don't necessarily have to write a book, but just even to journal, have a miracle journal
and just to journal
your miracles and that those things that happen, the tender mercies, those little, little things that, that happen because you gotta do forget 'em.
Haley Freeman: Yeah.
Kathy Truman: And so this, this was actually, um. A really good experience for me to be able to focus on those miracles that have happened in my life. And so I have another book called The Miracle Principle. Yes. And this is the key to Unlocking Heaven and this book is really focused on what we can do to invite miracles into our lives.
Misty Smith: Hmm.
Kathy Truman: This is all on the principle of praising God in all things. Now it's easy to praise God when you know wonderful things are happening. Everything's good. Yep. When it's a [00:19:00] challenge is when hard things come and we think, well, why would I praise God that I'm having a difficult time with such and such?
Why would I praise God for that?
And
that is where the key is. Praising God is not. Thank you God. It's not the same thing. Thanking God is thanking him for what he does, praising God. Is acknowledging that who He is, that God is God, that He is omnipotent, that He is all things to us. Praising God is opening our arms in surrender.
You know, we think of surrender as this, uh, I'm surrendering, but surrendering to God is this. It's opening up your arms to receive all that he has surrendering to His will. So when we come to a challenging situation, we can choose, we can either praise God for that challenge and invite or yoke ourselves with God, or we can go into fear, doubt, worry, um, [00:20:00] anger, all those things.
And we're yoking ourselves with darkness, with the adversary. We're, we're going into his domain to deal with the challenge.
Haley Freeman: Interesting.
Kathy Truman: We still have to face the challenge. But who would you rather have on your arm?
Haley Freeman: Right?
Kathy Truman: Would you rather yolk yourself to with Christ to go through the challenge or with the adversary?
I first learned about this in a class and there was a woman who shared her experience.
Misty Smith: Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: She actually was a therapist and she got cancer. Hmm. And when she got cancer, her whole focus had to be on that. She would send out bills to her clients and she was so down with cancer that she could not, she just couldn't send bills out and she just had absolutely no money coming in.
Haley Freeman: Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: So, she was getting pretty desperate and still just, ugh, did not have the energy to send out these invoices. And so she started pleading. And so often when we plead with [00:21:00] God, we're pleading out of lack, out of fear, worry. Please, please help me.
Misty Smith: Yes.
Haley Freeman: Which, you know, I get that I have prayers where I'm pleading,
Misty Smith: right.
Kathy Truman: So she finally was able through those pleading prayers to get up the energy, to send out the invoices. So every day she went out to the mailbox and opened it up to see if she had gotten any payments, because she was on the verge of losing her house.
Haley Freeman: Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: And every day she'd go out, she'd open the mailbox, nothing there, nothing there, nothing there.
And so she decided to use the principle of praising God in all things.
Misty Smith: Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: And so she started praising God. When she first started doing it, she was doing it as a transaction. Hey God, I'm praising you in all things now. Fill up my mailbox, and she'd run out there and she'd open the mailbox. Nothing.
Nothing.
Misty Smith: Right.
Kathy Truman: Well, this really was a refining experience for her because as days went on and [00:22:00] that that mailbox was really starting to be empty, she decided that maybe God had another plan for her. Maybe she needed to surrender to God. Maybe her praising God needed to be genuine and authentic
Misty Smith: right.
Kathy Truman: Not just, Hey, I'm doing this now, give me this, you know, type thing. And so she had a couple weeks journey of just really humbling herself to surrender her will to God's will to praise Him in this, with trust in Him. And when she really got to that point where it was really a sincere praising of God, she went out to the mailbox and in one day she received payment from every client and was able to,
Haley Freeman: whoa.
Misty Smith: That's incredible.
Kathy Truman: So, um, we owned our own business. And when you own your own business, you have really good times and you have times that are hard. And [00:23:00] it was like January and the post-Christmas and it was just, man, it was really hard. There wasn't enough money coming in to pay the bills.
Haley Freeman: Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: And, so I remembered that story.
Misty Smith: Yeah.
Kathy Truman: And so I thought, okay, okay, I'm gonna praise God. I've gotta take action too. So I wrote out checks for every single bill, this is back before Venmo,
Haley Freeman: right?
Kathy Truman: And auto draw and all that. So I wrote out a check and I addressed the envelopes and I put stamps on 'em.
And I had this stack of checks and bills to mail out and I decided I was going to praise God for those unpaid bills.
Hmm.
Kathy Truman: Every day I would, praise God. And I went through the same thing of like that transactional, like, okay, I'm praising you. Okay, yeah, there's the money. Where's the money? Where's the money?
You know? So [00:24:00] meanwhile, my husband at the time had gone on a mission to the Philippines and um, there was a typhoon in the Philippines. Now, does that sound like that would be the answer to my unpaid bills?
Misty Smith: No, absolutely not.
Kathy Truman: Well, he got called from his mission president. They called all these missionaries to go back to the Philippines to help rebuild.
Misty Smith: Yeah.
Kathy Truman: And so, as broke as we were, he decided to answer that call and to go to the Philippines and to help build these little huts for these people to have some shelter.
Haley Freeman: Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: So in order to be able to afford to go there, he went to a lot of affiliate businesses to ask for sponsorships. Well, sure, we'd be happy to sponsor you, but when you come back, we wanna see slides of what you did.
You know, we'll have a staff meeting and we wanna see slides of what you did and and stuff. And so, okay. [00:25:00] Okay. So he was able to get his trip fully funded. And then when he came back, he went around to all these businesses and showed him these slides, and through that he built relationships, he got new clients, he got more money,
our
business started booming, and I was able to mail in all those unpaid bills
and have
money left over.
Haley Freeman: Wow.
Kathy Truman: Praise God.
Yeah, yeah.
Praise God.
Misty Smith: Absolutely.
Kathy Truman: So this has been my big mantra, telling everybody, praise God, praise God, praise God. I wanna read a little quote. "There's a certain kind of strength that comes from praising God and there is a more vigorous strength that comes from praising God when your life is not running as smoothly as you would like."
That's when it's a real challenge.
Misty Smith: Yeah.
Kathy Truman: So I had a client that went to California. And she called me in a panic. [00:26:00]
Misty Smith: Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: I have a major issue. She had gone to San Francisco first. Mm-hmm. And done a little sightseeing. And then she'd gone down to LA with a thumb drive that she needed to use to make a presentation for this company to sell this product or you know, her business.
Misty Smith: Right.
And when she got to LA, the thumb drive was missing. She'd had it in San Francisco. Because she had plugged it in and gone through a presentation to practice in San Francisco. So she called everywhere trying to find it, and she just called me. It's nowhere to be found. What am I gonna do?
I've gotta go do this presentation. I don't know what to do. The thumb drive's missing. I'm just, oh yeah. You know?
Yeah.
Kathy Truman: And I said, praise God that the thumb drive's missing. Praise. What? You know, trust me, I get some resistance to this principle.
Misty Smith: Oh, I'm sure. Absolutely.
Kathy Truman: I was like, you know, praise God that that thumb drive's missing.
Praise God that it's missing. Praise God that it's missing. Well, she's on her way home. [00:27:00] Well, that didn't work. You know that. I never found the thumb drive. It's nowhere to be found, and I just had to reschedule my presentation.
Misty Smith: Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: She gets home. That thumb drive sitting on her kitchen counter.
Like what? Yeah. From San Francisco to her kitchen counter up in Idaho, you know, and it was on her kitchen counter, and she's like, oh my gosh. She calls and tells me it's on my kitchen counter. Didn't do me much good, but it's on my kitchen, you know?
Misty Smith: Right.
Kathy Truman: So her boss calls her in a panic. Did you make that presentation?
No, I had to reschedule, thank goodness. Mm-hmm. We just had this, we found out this one thing was wrong and we've had to tweak it and, and you know, if we'd have done that presentation, we wouldn't have got that deal because this was wrong and
Haley Freeman: Wow.
Kathy Truman: So we had to fix all this, and so I'm gonna get you the whole new thumb drive with the right presentation.
And so she was able to go back down there, do the right presentation and get all this business.
Misty Smith: Wow.
Kathy Truman: It [00:28:00] doesn't happen like you think it will, you know?
Misty Smith: Right.
Kathy Truman: Things can happen a lot different.
Misty Smith: Yes. So I had the opportunity to read this book and there's things you wrote in the book that have to speak about frequency and science, and I am a big, I holler when I hear science and the spiritual coming together.
Kathy Truman: Yeah. And Me too. Me too.
Misty Smith: And so I absolutely love you spoke about the frequencies and, and all that, which I'll probably ask you to maybe touch on just for a second, but, okay. I do wanna say that with all this, you also spoke about a conduit and in your book, and sometimes with miracles, we are the conduit.
Kathy Truman: Mm-hmm.
Misty Smith: We're the ones that pass through. I remember I had a situation and I was speaking to my sister and I love my sister so much. And I was kind of breaking apart and I was just kinda explaining to her, this is really hard, but I did what [00:29:00] I was supposed to do, but I'm struggling. It didn't come out the way I wanted to.
Kathy Truman: Mm-hmm.
Misty Smith: And she is like, wait, you delivered this message, or you did this without understanding what you were doing. Shame on you. Wait, hold on. I did know what I was supposed to be doing. And so I was really hurt at that moment I was like, no, I, I don't necessarily always have to understand.
These messages aren't for me. Every time, you know, these miracles, I might be the conduit. So when I, I remember taking a second, oh, a step back from my pity party of myself and being told and, and, um, and I remember just praying and thanking, Heavenly Father for having a sister that brought that to my attention, even though it was hard, she brought it to my attention, Hey, you didn't understand what you were doing.
And I got defensive and I got hurt, but because she brought that up. [00:30:00] I started realizing, I know I don't always have to understand why you're the conduit. Sometimes the miracles are for you, but most of the times they are for so many other people. Mm. And so I just love that you speak about the conduit and frequencies, and sometimes it's the motion, all the stories you shared.
You also had to have the faith and the love and, and that point where you throw your hands up in the air and you just literally surrender. I, I think all of us here in this conversation have been there where we, where we surrender and that, that is such a sacred place because it's, I
Kathy Truman: like that
Misty Smith: you say that a
Kathy Truman: sacred place.
I love that. It's,
Misty Smith: it's, it's a place where I hope. Even though you don't hope for people to struggle that much when they throw their hands up in their air, I hope that everyone gets there through their story where they do surrender because it, it leads [00:31:00] everyone, it leads you to such a spiritual place where God literally can mold you into, like you told in your Miracle Principal's book.
You speak about a house being built up. If a torn up house, you call someone to help fix it, and he comes and starts mending the things that were obviously needed to be mended. And then he starts building up things that you didn't expect and you're like, whoa, what is happening?
That's what God does when you put yourself in a space of surrender. And if you are the conduit or if you're the one receiving it. I'm just so grateful that you bringing up gratefulness. Yes, because I think it's something that's not spoken of as much as it should be, so thank you for that.
Kathy Truman: Thank you. I, I do think that gratitude is a powerful emotion and you talk about frequency, and I'm actually a, a musician. I actually was the keyboard player in a rock band for 22 years.
Misty Smith: [00:32:00] Love it.
Kathy Truman: It's funny, I was telling somebody that once and I said, you know, in another lifetime I was, you know, did this and she said, was it here on this earth?
I'm like,
yeah, it was here.
I'm not that loopy,
but as a musician, you want to be in tune. Your instrument, you, it needs to be in tune. If it's not in tune, it's not very nice music to listen to and a, a musical note that's in tune. It has a very fast frequency, bing very flat and fast. If it's out of tune
and, and it slows down, it's out of tune. So you think about listening to an orchestra, the violin player will get up and play a note and everybody tunes to that. If just one instrument was outta tune in that orchestra, ugh, it would hurt. It would hurt all of us. So I think of [00:33:00] God being that violin , that note that we all need to tune to.
So what are things that bring us in tune? Something that brings us in tune and I, what I'll share is a poem or it's from a book that's a quote about being in tune with the master. It's beautiful how our lives resonate and they sing and we are moved when we're in tune and so. Things that are high frequencies that bring us in tune are joy and happiness and helpfulness and service and, um, you know, all these positive gratitude, all of these emotions and praising God.
When you're yoking with Him, that's the very highest, that's the most in tune you can be is when you're praising God, you join with him in his frequency. It's like oxen if one is strong and the other one is weaker, the strong one is gonna help that weaker one be able to pull the load. And the Savior is that stronger oxen when [00:34:00] we yoke with him, even though we're not as strong, we have someone to help us to, to pull that load.
And so the lower frequency emotions are, fear, doubt, anger, sadness, depression, it's interesting. Um, shame is the very lowest vibration there is. And you think how we say, oh, I was embarrassed to death.
Misty Smith: Yes.
Kathy Truman: Isn't that interesting how we say that?
Misty Smith: Yes.
Kathy Truman: It's the very lowest shame and blame and all those things.
And so, for us to be able to elevate our frequency alone is quite the challenge.
And
it takes a lot. But as we, um. Yoke and praise God in all things and yolk with Him. It just eases the way of our journey to be able to be at those higher frequencies.
Haley Freeman: Yeah, mentioning gratitude isn't gratitude one of the highest frequency.
Kathy Truman: It is very high, very, very high.
And so it doesn't just bless us in our lives. So think about Sodom and [00:35:00] Gomorrah, Abraham said, if Lot finds ten righteous people, will you spare all of Sodom and Gomorrah? And God said yes. So the high vibration of 10 righteous people would counterbalance the darkness of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Isn't that powerful?
Misty Smith: It's amazing. What a beautiful picture.
Kathy Truman: As we elevate and I usually take like a pillowcase, but I'll, like, if you take the middle of a pillowcase and you pull it up, what happens to everything around it? Everything around it rises as well,
Misty Smith: right?
Kathy Truman: So as we strive to be in tune, as we try to, um, elevate our emotions and we praise God to help us to do that, praise God in all things to help us to do that, then we are able to not only, elevate our lives, but help bring light and help to elevate and counterbalance [00:36:00] any darkness around us and help to uplift all around us. And isn't that one of our main missions is to help elevate
everyone around us, help to uplift others? Um, and this is a very practical, real way to do that. And a lot of times we hear these.
You know, things, you know, you know, uplift and you know things and yeah, they're beautiful, they sound good, but how do we do that?
And this
is a very practical way to actually practice praising God in all things and uplifting not only ourselves, but others. You can always tell when somebody walks in a room, they bring in energy with them.
Misty Smith: Yes,
Kathy Truman: you can feel it. You just can feel it when someone walks in. Um, and so what kind of energy do you wanna bring in a room? You know, do you wanna be the instrument in the orchestra? That's, do you wanna be the one that's in tune? Um, and that's a lifelong journey. Trust me, that's a lifelong journey. But the more we can try to be in tune by praising God in all things, the more that [00:37:00] out of tune is dissonant to us.
It doesn't
feel good to us. Um. And so anyway, that's just part of this principle too, of, of praising God in all things is, um, and it invites miracles when we're in those kinds of vibrations, when we're in the, and in tune with the master when we're with God. Those kinds of things really help us to be able to serve others, but also that's where the miracles are.
Misty Smith: Yes.
Kathy Truman: That's where,
that's where the miracles are. And so the more that we can try to do that, um, the more that we invite miracles into our lives.
Misty Smith: Mm-hmm. That was, that was one of my questions I had actually written down for you. Oh. How does one, even though through sorrows and pains, many times we have people reach out and say, how, but how does one get there?
And, and, and so I was [00:38:00] going to ask you if you have any other thoughts on that, but really you painted it very beautiful, having that gratitude starting by maybe not focusing so much on the negative, but even if on a daily basis, one word just to take a second of a grateful
journal.
Kathy Truman: Yeah.
Misty Smith: You know, a prayer.
Kathy Truman: An exercise that's been really helpful to me is to look back at my life. For instance, the grandchildren story I told you.
Haley Freeman: Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: Praise God that I had a difficult time having children because it opened my heart to bring four more children into my home.
Misty Smith: We love that.
Kathy Truman: Praise God that we had financial difficulties.
Mm-hmm. Because it invited this miracle and brought so many blessings into our life and, taught me the power of praising God. If we can look back at the things in our lives that we know were trials at that time, but see the blessings that came, the lessons [00:39:00] we learned from that in the past, and we can praise God that that thing happened because da, it's easier for us today when a trial comes to be able to praise God for it with the hope
that, that too will eventually work out, you know, that it will be for our greater good. Mm-hmm. And so I find that exercise, um, really good. One thing I've done with clients in the past is as they're talking about some of the trials they've had and stuff I say, were any of those things too high of a price for you to pay to know God?
And they always say, no, no,
I would
do those. I would go through those things again. Because of the relationship that it helped me to build with God. And so anyway, just doing that exercise with the past. Just kind of writing down some things that were hard, but how my husband lost his job [00:40:00] and then we ended up starting this business that ended up bringing a lot more blessings and we never would've started the business if he hadn't lost his job.
Misty Smith: Right.
Kathy Truman: Hindsight, you know how they always say hindsight's 20/20? You know, in hindsight you can look back and see what blessings came from certain trials. And I think that's a really vital exercise to do. For one, you can't change the past, but you can change your perspective on the past. Mm. And so it helps you to change that perspective so that you don't carry those, the story of those wounds in a such a, in negative frequencies, if you can see.
Haley Freeman: Yeah. That's interesting that you said that. I have a testimony of this because. I lost my dad about eight years ago now, and
sorry,
during that grieving process. Um, so to back up a little bit, I had a near death experience and since then, the veil will be really thin for me at times. After my dad first passed, I had a, an experience where I'd saw him as a [00:41:00] spirit, and then a little bit later down the road, I started just grieving really, really hard.
And, and dark, a dark grieving and a little bit of anger grieving. And it was the only time I, I, I was in this darker place with it. I think this is part of the grief process, right?
Anger is one of the steps.
Kathy Truman: Exactly.
Haley Freeman: So I let myself sink in the darker anger of it for just a day or two, and then I decided, no, I'm not gonna be in this space anymore, you know? And so I said a prayer to help me just release that. And the second I started praying, my dad appeared and he said, I've been trying to get to you, but your frequency was too low.
Misty Smith: Wow.
Haley Freeman: It was too dark and too low and I could not get to you.
Misty Smith: Wow.
Kathy Truman: Wow.
Haley Freeman: Yeah.
Kathy Truman: Wow.
Haley Freeman: But the second I started praying and was ready to let that, the, the dark, the lower frequency off, he was there like that second and he said, I've been [00:42:00] trying to get to you, but your frequency was too low.
Kathy Truman: Wow.
Misty Smith: So neat. Haley.
Kathy Truman: Yeah, that is amazing lesson.
And, and it just, that is such a wonderful example of how important it is for us to stay, try to stay. Yeah. And, and that's not to say I'm not talking about toxic happiness, because I can tell you I have been bawling and sobbing, saying, praise God for this, praise God for this.
You know, I, and we need to feel all of our emotions.
Misty Smith: Yes,
Kathy Truman: I learned a really cool lesson about this from a really dear friend. She had a, a lot of trauma and good reason to just completely go down in the dumps and, you know, never come out. And she said, I allowed myself to grieve, but not to wallow.
Haley Freeman: Mm.
Kathy Truman: So she would set her timer for like 30 minutes.
Haley Freeman: Yes.
Kathy Truman: And she would sob her eyes out and just allow herself to feel those feelings and grieve and yell and [00:43:00] whatever. But when the timer went off, she would put on major dance tunes. Mm-hmm. And she would crank 'em loud and she would go and dance and just sing and dance and stuff.
And it's, it's really interesting. I've learned some science behind this. Misty.
Misty Smith: Ooh, bring it on.
Kathy Truman: We get emotion addiction.
Misty Smith: Hmm.
Kathy Truman: Our brain will like, adrenaline junkie, a drama queen, somebody that has a hair trigger for anger, they're just, they're ready to go.
Misty Smith: Yes.
Kathy Truman: Their brain actually becomes addicted to the cocktail of chemicals that it spends the most time in.
And so that's why we get this confirmation bias type thing. We're always looking for things to prove, you know, what's true, to bring us that hit.
Misty Smith: Okay?
Kathy Truman: And so when we allow ourselves to wallow. We are teaching our brain, we're helping our brain to have that be the homeostasis. It's fallback.
Go to those [00:44:00] sad chemicals and, and wallow in that by her putting on that dance music, um, and singing and dancing, your brain can't do both at the same time. She was teaching her brain that it was okay to sorrow and to grieve. It was okay to feel those emotions, but that she didn't have to become addicted to those and stay in that place.
Haley Freeman: Yeah. Oh, and it was okay to grieve. 'cause I saw my dad earlier during the grieving process, but I wasn't in the darkness of it. I wasn't in the anger of it.
Kathy Truman: Mm-hmm.
Haley Freeman: When I was just grieving in more of a uh, a lighter way, like a normal, grieving loving type of way I was able to see him earlier, right?
Kathy Truman: Mm-hmm.
Haley Freeman: But when I got to the darkness of it, the anger of it, the more darker frequency, lower frequency is when he couldn't.
Kathy Truman: That's so cool. Yeah. Do you mind if I share that with clients? I mean that
Haley Freeman: I could write it up for you even.
Kathy Truman: Beautiful. Oh, thank you. Thank you for sharing that.
Yeah. That's so beautiful. I love that. I love that.
Misty Smith: Wonderful.
Kathy Truman: Um, one thing [00:45:00] I was just gonna say is the story we tell ourselves about things, controls so much of our life today. You know, when I was a child, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, you know, we have our victim story or whatever.
And that story we tell ourselves is where the trauma comes. Sometimes the trauma is long gone. Hmm. And yet we and the voices they're gone, but they're still on a, they're like our greatest hits in our head.
Misty Smith: Mm-hmm. Yes.
Kathy Truman: Even though we have these stories that bring this trauma and that trauma takes us deep, you know?
Mm-hmm. And like I said, we all are gonna go deep. We're all gonna have dark times. You're human. Don't beat yourself up for that.
Misty Smith: Yes. Mm-hmm.
Kathy Truman: You did, you managed it. You said, okay, I'm gonna pray. Mm-hmm. And I'm not gonna spin down the funnel.
Haley Freeman: Yeah. I was done. I'm like, I'm done being, yeah in this spot.
Yeah.
Kathy Truman: So you said, okay, I'm having these dark times, I'm gonna manage this. And praising God is another way to kind of manage those things, you know, okay. I had this situation when [00:46:00] I was a child or whatever, but because of that, I now recognize that pain in others. Because of that, I have an opportunity to serve or help or uplift others because
I have empathy for what they're going through because of what I've been through. So I can see that that was a hard thing that I did, but it doesn't own me. That's not who I am now. And so I can praise God that I had the learning experience from it. I don't think we necessarily need to praise God that we got hurt or that something, you know?
But we can praise God for what we did with it, with God's help, what we learned from it. You know what, how we survived it. I mean, you're still standing. Mm-hmm. It didn't defeat you. Even if you're feeling so low right now, you're still here.
Misty Smith: Yes.
Kathy Truman: It did not defeat you. Praise God that you're still standing.
As long as you're still standing, there's hope.
Misty Smith: Ugh.
Kathy Truman: You yolk yourself with God, you can [00:47:00] do it to help people.
Haley Freeman: So maybe for me to clarify the difference between praising God and saying thank you, or gratitude
Kathy Truman: so, so praising Him thank you is for what he does.
Haley Freeman: Right.
Kathy Truman: Thank you for giving me this.
Haley Freeman: So what would a prayer sound like as a praise
Kathy Truman: praising him is
kind of an, even though,
Haley Freeman: like even though,
Kathy Truman: even though I am having all this trouble having children, I still trust in Thee. I still know that you're omnipotent. I still have hope in, in your plan for my life. I'm willing to let go of my expectations and surrender and open myself to what thou has in store for me.
And it's funny because even people that just shake their head at me. And say, no, I don't wanna pray. And I say, just, just say it. Just say, praise God that I'm standing here right now. You know? [00:48:00] It changes your frequency. You can't help it, it just changes your frequency. It's like a, yeah, like a, um. Reflex.
That's not the word I was looking for, but you know, it's just a subconscious,
Haley Freeman: like an eternal law.
It's gonna happen.
Kathy Truman: Yeah.
Your frequency will change when you say it, even if you don't mean it. So just think of how powerful it is when you do mean it. And that's why I said I had that journey just like that lady did.
Uh, at first I'm like, okay, praising God is supposed, supposed to help me, is supposed to bring miracles, so praise God. When you're in that transactional, it, it will help some, but it's not gonna have the power that it will have when your heart is in it. When you can surrender your heart to praising God for all that He is, then you go into His frequency.
You join with him, you invite Him into your life. It's not Thank you for doing this. Thank [00:49:00] you for doing this. Praising Him is inviting Him in to your soul, to your spirit, to your heart. You know, it's inviting him in and allowing him to work.
Haley Freeman: Thank you.
I
get it.
Misty Smith: Awesome. Well, Kathy, it's been such a pleasure to have you here and we have learned so much, and I hope our listeners have taken so many notes and taken so much from you.
Haley Freeman: I'm going to rewatch this like 10 times.
Misty Smith: Um, if there's one last message, one main thing you want people to hear from you today. What, what would that be?
Kathy Truman: Look for miracles in everything because God is in everything.
Mm-hmm.
I took my son up the canyon to have a difficult conversation with him and a hummingbird just right above his head
all of a sudden,
like, where'd that come from?
So we came home and we just [00:50:00] looked up the spiritual meaning of hummingbirds. Mm-hmm. And it was, you can do hard things.
Haley Freeman: Wow.
Misty Smith: Wow.
Kathy Truman: You know, it's, it's like, you know, they say God's in a falling leaf,
it's just when you look for God, you find him. When you look for miracles, you find them and keeping a record of them.
You know, you build up your own stories of, of all your miracles, and those give you hope,
and they
give you trust that God's aware of you, that he knows you, that you are important to him. And, and it just elevates and uplifts your life and your frequencies so you can help and uplift others.
Haley Freeman: Absolutely.
Kathy Truman: Live in light.
a lot of people say they wanna shield against the darkness. I gotta shield. Shield against the darkness. Well, shielding is based in fear, and fear is a low frequency. When you radiate with your light and God's light, you're a conduit, Misty.
Mm-hmm. You're a [00:51:00] conduit of God's light and his love and your light and your love, and that radiates out. Only those that can bear that light will be in your space. Others will just kind of turn away, and that is a high frequency, not a low frequency of fear protecting against Satan, you know, everywhere.
'cause, 'cause that, that fear is very counterproductive. So, um, as we elevate our frequency, as we shine with light, that armor of light, that's, that's our armor, is God's light within us and, and shining with our light. So,
Misty Smith: love it.
Haley Freeman: Wow.
Thank you so much.
This has been an amazing episode. I, I've learned so much and I know other people are gonna relate to the stories you've told and this information. So thank you for sharing your time and your knowledge. We really appreciate it.
Kathy Truman: Thank you for this opportunity and I wish you all the best with this podcast because I've really enjoyed the episodes that I've [00:52:00] watched and I've just put 'em on and in my Bluetooth while I'm doing my work and I just really enjoyed you've been able to find really awesome people to share their stories.
Haley Freeman: Oh, we appreciate that. Thank you. That means a lot.
Outro: Thank you for joining us on Latter-day Miracles. If you have a miracle story that you feel inspired to share, we'd love to hear from you. Contact us on our website at latterdaymiracles.net or message us on social media. Until next time, keep your heart open to the miraculous and may you feel the presence of angels in your everyday life.
